It does buy votes, though.
The one & only reason it exists as is does.
It does buy votes, though.
When you catch me contradicting myself about this stuff le me know. I won't wait up.
That's a bunch of crap and you know it.It does indeed.
Nope.It nullifies any argument that's your money anyway.
...into an insurance fund.From taxes all employers pay.
Welfare is a handout because you don't have to pay to play. With unemployment, you have to pay first before you can withdraw. That is what I've been saying all along. That is the simple concept.So? Since Gonz has paid into welfare for awhile now if he went on that program you wouldn't consider the program a handout anymore?
Glad you kept my sentence in there. It's an important point.If you had to pay in first, it seems pretty obvious that it's not a handout.
I obviously do understnad it better than you.Not a chance.
If you refuse to see how almost everything you post here is trolling, insulting, childish and hypocritical, I can't help you.No hypocrisy, you started trolling and insulting. I did not. Quit being childish and talk like an adult.
You are refusing to grasp a simple concept. Getting paid from a fund that requires you to pay in first is not a handout. Getting paid from welfare, which does not require you to pay in first, is a handout. Further, when on unemployment, you are required to search for a job, which is an attempt to offer goods or services in return.You are refusing to grasp a simple concept. Getting paid while offering no goods or services in return is a handout.
You've proved nothing. Also, the level of insurance isn't completely of your own choosing; there is a "state minimum" that you have to get. You cannot choose to carry insurance that pays out less than $15,000 per person/$30,000 per incident. You can choose to pay more for higher amounts of coverage.The level of insurance that you get, the company you use for insurance, your deductible, the other people you insure to drive your car is all of your own choosing. By your logic i have just proved that it is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than unemployment.
All other things being equal, that would be the case, but all other things are not equal.One is called welfare and one is called unemployment. If one is a handout the other is too.
In comparison to a lot of the stuff I've seen you post over the last couple of years, that comment was absolutely nothing. I'd think someone so good at dishing it out would be able to take a little in return.You misunderstood apparently, the finger puppets comment was the childish trolling.
...once that money has been put into a slush fund and given to the GVT to invest...much like retirement funds. It's not literally an account with your name on it from which only you can withdraw. If that were the case, then you could request that money back upon retirement or your family could upon your death.No, UI you are getting paid from the UI deductable you pay with every paycheck.
I'd have to disagree. Both parties draw votes from the program.The one & only reason it exists as is does.
That statement assumes that all/most people on welfare never put money into the system prior to them falling into Welfare. The second half assumes that all/most make no effort to find employment.You are refusing to grasp a simple concept. Getting paid from a fund that requires you to pay in first is not a handout. Getting paid from welfare, which does not require you to pay in first, is a handout. Further, when on unemployment, you are required to search for a job, which is an attempt to offer goods or services in return.
...once that money has been put into a slush fund and given to the GVT to invest...much like retirement funds. It's not literally an account with your name on it from which only you can withdraw. If that were the case, then you could request that money back upon retirement or your family could upon your death.
and welfare.wow, that is sorta how insurance works too....
Welfare is a handout because you don't have to pay to play. With unemployment, you have to pay first before you can withdraw. That is what I've been saying all along. That is the simple concept.
You are refusing to grasp a simple concept. Getting paid from a fund that requires you to pay in first is not a handout. Getting paid from welfare, which does not require you to pay in first, is a handout. Further, when on unemployment, you are required to search for a job, which is an attempt to offer goods or services in return.
and welfare.
There are working-poor - on welfare.
Median time-period for welfare is 6 months...not 6 years.
People on welfare most likely gave money into the program (through taxes) from current/previous employment.
It's time to hang up the straw-man of the eternal-welfare-taker to dry. It's a boogeyman that has little resemblance to reality.
Welfare is an insurance that everyone pays into, hoping that they never have to take from.
Welfare is a handout because you don't have to pay to play. With unemployment, you have to pay first before you can withdraw. That is what I've been saying all along. That is the simple concept.
I obviously do understnad it better than you.
If you refuse to see how almost everything you post here is trolling, insulting, childish and hypocritical, I can't help you.
You are refusing to grasp a simple concept. Getting paid from a fund that requires you to pay in first is not a handout. Getting paid from welfare, which does not require you to pay in first, is a handout. Further, when on unemployment, you are required to search for a job, which is an attempt to offer goods or services in return.
You've proved nothing. Also, the level of insurance isn't completely of your own choosing; there is a "state minimum" that you have to get. You cannot choose to carry insurance that pays out less than $15,000 per person/$30,000 per incident. You can choose to pay more for higher amounts of coverage.
All other things being equal, that would be the case, but all other things are not equal.
In comparison to a lot of the stuff I've seen you post over the last couple of years, that comment was absolutely nothing. I'd think someone so good at dishing it out would be able to take a little in return.
Semantics, Paul. They're both there to do the same thing...a cleanup crew for when the shit hits the fan. Like food stamps, and Sun Youth, and food baskets. One way or the other, we all pay into it.
Both are handouts because you don't have to work to receive money. That is a simple concept.
Worked in the past year (less than that actually...I think that it's 40weeks in a row) - If you havn't worked at your last job for more than 40 weeks, you can't get UI. If you worked 39 weeks and were paying into UI the whole time, you still can't get it...you default to Welfare.Wrong. For UI you had to have worked to receive it.
you also have to supply proof that you are looking for a job to continue receiving UI.
Looking for work is hard work.
Worked in the past year (less than that actually...I think that it's 40weeks in a row) - If you havn't worked at your last job for more than 40 weeks, you can't get UI. If you worked 39 weeks and were paying into UI the whole time, you still can't get it...you default to Welfare.
I'm thinking that welfare and UI basically take from the same pool of money. I'm not entirely sure, but...
"Proof" is relative. The last time I was on UI..the 'proof' consisted of me hitting "1 - for yes" on my phone when asked if I was "ready, willing and able to work for the week of X"
Looking for work is often harder than the actual work you'll have if your search ..er..works.
you also have to supply proof that you are looking for a job to continue receiving UI.
Looking for work is hard work.
You have to check a box.
That statement assumes that all/most people on welfare never put money into the system prior to them falling into Welfare. The second half assumes that all/most make no effort to find employment.
It casts a shadow over the concept of Welfare..as does the term 'handout'.
One is not a handout because you have to pay in first and you have to look for a job (AKA give something in return). That is a simple concept.Both are handouts because you don't have to work to receive money. That is a simple concept.
It's pretty obvious, even if you cannot or will not see it.Not a chance.
I guess the fact that all of this started because you were so desperate to make someone you don't like look bad that the facts didn't matter wouldn't count as "starting the insults" in SpikeWorld. Give me an adult conversation to join sometime. Feel free. Don't let me stop you.I don't need your help. You are just making lame excuse for your childish behavior. I didn't start the insults, you did. In two different current threads. If you can't talk like an adult maybe you shouldn't try to join adult conversations.
So I guess you also didn't pay in years of friendship first? "You're" argument here is crap.You're distinction is crap. If I needed money and tried to borrow it from someone and they said "I tell you what, you give me a dollar and I'll give you $5000" I would still be getting a handout.
So paying in first does not define something as not a handout.
There's a minimum amount the law says you have to buy. that makes it mandatory, even though earlier you claimed it's voluntary. You can buy more. There's also a minimum unemployment insurance, with the government as an administrator instead of a private company, but you can buy more (I noticed you ignored my link to a private unemployment insurance provider).Wow that sure is a lot different from unemployment and you say tax money isn't involved either?
You really think football and baseball are similar? the objects of the games are a lot different and the processes required to get ready to play each game is a lot different. But also, cross country is a sport, and cheerleaders consider cheerleading to be a sport. Not many similarities between those.All things don't have to be equal for something to be very similar. Football and baseball are both sports. Unemployment and welfare are both handouts.
Well, we can start off with your need to make someone you don't like look bad being so great that you're willing to ignore facts to continue your smear campaign. Maybe the fact that your preferred method of "debate" is to take a sentence someone wrote, change a word or two, re-post it and then act like you've totally pwned your opponent. I could bring up everything else, but last time I brought up some things, you told me I was trolling and being insulting and personal instead of, oh, I don't know, showing me why I might be wrong.If you have an issue with something specific I've posted "over the last couple years" than bring it up. Otherwise just face the facts that you have been trolling with insults in two different current threads and quit being childish.