2004 election news
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chcr
Too cute for words
Sorry ol' man, that's a direct transcript of the interview, I don't think it's possible to misconstrue his meaning.
Do you know who John Ashcroft is? (Attorney General)
There are lots of others I don't really feel like spending the time. If you imagined yourself to be an atheist, Would these things worry you? They certainly worry me.
Edit--I can spell okay, it's this damend typing that gets the best of me.
Do you know who John Ashcroft is? (Attorney General)
There are lots of others I don't really feel like spending the time. If you imagined yourself to be an atheist, Would these things worry you? They certainly worry me.
Edit--I can spell okay, it's this damend typing that gets the best of me.
freako104
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ris said:
i am pagan thank you ris. and im not at all afraid since i know my first amendment says i can believe in the elements and mom and dad can be atheists(and theyre also not too worried noone in my fam and i think my sis her hubby and in laws feel the same) that there should be a separation and if i recall correctly(sorry gonz to bug ye again) but gonz quoted Thomas Jefferson and his views on separation on church and state. the problem is that in the Constitution there is no offical separation.
chcr
Too cute for words
I wasn't going to mention that, but it really doesn't say so in so many words. I've always believed the framers felt it was so obvious they didn't need to. Re your First Amendment Rights, keep a very close eye on them for the next several years. I am very serious. They're eroding more quickly than you think.freako104 said:
freako104
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chcr said:
i hear that all the time but i still feel we still have them. and ill follow them. and if they erode to the point where we dont have them fuck it. ill still be wiccan. and those arent the only rights being taken away. and to paraphrase a great american: Ben Franklin: Those that would give up essential liberties for security deserve neither safety nor security" the reason im not afraid is because this is america. its a free land. id like to believe it still is. and in my young idealistic and stupid heart and mind it still is and always will be.
If you want to know what was thought when & immediately following the writing of the Constitutiom, start with The Federalist Papers.
These men were not atheists. They foresaw God in America. They also knew it could be dangerous. One of them actually refers to muslims (using the old term) & how they were allowed to weild power under our Constitution. (at the time, a huge statement)
As an atheist I don't want some organization speaking for me. If that were the case I may as well become Jewish (which is the most probable, in my case)
These men were not atheists. They foresaw God in America. They also knew it could be dangerous. One of them actually refers to muslims (using the old term) & how they were allowed to weild power under our Constitution. (at the time, a huge statement)
As an atheist I don't want some organization speaking for me. If that were the case I may as well become Jewish (which is the most probable, in my case)
HeXp£Øi±
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Kerry's got the ticket already, there is no one else. By the way, me and one other person called this back in October of last year. http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3748&highlight=democratic+nomination
Hillary would win but it's not yet her time. Her strength is her patience.
Bush will win no matter what happens with the economy or the war. If the war goes badly Americans WILL NOT pull out prematurely. They will be determined to see it through.
Hillary would win but it's not yet her time. Her strength is her patience.
Bush will win no matter what happens with the economy or the war. If the war goes badly Americans WILL NOT pull out prematurely. They will be determined to see it through.
Ardsgaine
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HeXp£Øi± said:
Hehehe. Way back when he ran against Ford, I was in 7th grade. I hated him then, and I spent the next four years hating him. I would have voted for Reagan in '80, if I had been old enough-- that, even though this Cuban guy I used to argue politics with in high school thought I was a socialist. (I was a mixed-economy/ welfare-statist type in those days.)
Carter just makes me cringe... double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment... what a guy!
Ardsgaine
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America held hostage for four hundred and forty days... while Carter sat in the Rose Garden and twiddled his thumbs.
Or Carter coming on TV after the Russians rolled into Afghanistan looking shocked, SHOCKED, that the USSR would actually do such a thing.
Those were not good days...
Or Carter coming on TV after the Russians rolled into Afghanistan looking shocked, SHOCKED, that the USSR would actually do such a thing.
Those were not good days...
HeXp£Øi±
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I was half joking. I know he wasn't the greatest of politicians but in his presidential afterlife the guy has been a wise & effective mediator/negotiator and human rights advocate breaking through barriors where governments failed and preventing wars in more than one instance. I have a great deal of respect for the man.
HeXp£Øi±
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Well i'll tell you Gonz this was not easy for many people. When carter says he was against the war because he was concerned about civilian casualties i believe he had pure and honest motives to be anti war. I'm sure he was thinking about hundreds of thousands of people dying and catastrophic starvation afterwards. I don't think he had any cruel intentions. I think we on both sides tend to get angry at the radicals and we begin grouping all these people together. Carter was not burning American flags or keeping business from running. He was genuinely concerned about a mass killing of civilians and sofar he was wrong. It's as simple as that. I don't think he did anything wrong.
