A little sanity in an insane world...

Just the one, he's enough.

just because one parent stays home does not mean that one parent will raise the children in a meaningful way.

One parent staying home isn't one parent rearing the child. It's one more roadblock to the "I can do it all" mentality. Obviously, it does't mean a child will grow-up in a meaningful way. It is, by & large, one hell of a first step in that direction though. Two parents, married & heterosexual are the norm in which produces the most well rounded, thoughtful & insightful next-generation. Look at all stats involved. The odds of part time parenting or single parent rearing increses the odds of deviant, violent & anti-social behavior, mutli-fold. It doesn't say a "typical" family produces a better child. It does say the odds increase greatly for that to happen.

Good parenting can be done in a few hours an evening and on weekends, it does not have to be a full time job

that I have to laugh at & feel sorry for it's author. that is the delusional thinking that has taken our children from pains in the ass to murderers. Nothing done part time is done to it's fullest extent. It's not possible to have a meaningful, deep relationship, of any kind, on a part-time basis. Look back to your own youth. Which statement would be truest; A)I wish my parents had worked more or B)I'm glad I had a full time at home parent. Even if B) isn't true, wouldn't that be the preference?


and in my opinion, knowing where your child is 24/7 is great, but at what point are you going to make your child responsible for his or her own actions

At 18. When he becomes a legal "adult" & we are no longer responsible for his actions. The rope in which binds a child to the parents gets tugged, pulled, stretched & distorted but it is still a tie that binds. He is not ready to accept behaviors of an adult. Nor will he be at 14 or even 16. As he gets closer to that magical age, he gets more freedoms. He also gets more responsibilites. He is taught to be an adult. There are restrictions placed on that freedom, by us & by the law. Trust is earned by actions, not by age. It is earned, not freely given. With earning that trust he learns to be a responsible adult. When the trust is damaged, he learns consequences for his actions. In that, he is already responssible for his actions.

I am not putting down both parents working outside the home. There are clearly times when it is unavoidable. I am attacking the notion that is the forced norm. Move to a smaller house. Turn off the cable. Trade the Lexus for a used Toyota. Don't put in the pool. Put the AC at 79 instead of 74. There are hundreds of ways to lower costs. Your first & foremost job is to create socially responsible, well rounded children, so the rest of us don't suffer the wrath of said child in the future.

One income is possible, feasable & healthy.

Perspective: In the event of global catastrophe, there's be no job. Upward mobility would be eliminated. What would happen then? You'd care for your family.
 
Gonz said:
Perspective: In the event of global catastrophe, there's be no job. Upward mobility would be eliminated. What would happen then? You'd care for your family.

What would happen then is that there would be nothing but work 24/7 and Jr. would have to get his butt out there and work with me as soon as he was big enough to pull weeds. Upward mobility wouldn't be eliminated, though. We'd be looking for bigger and better crops, a new plow, a new milch cow, a nice dress for mom, and someone somewhere would be trying to reinvent air conditioning. Upward mobility will only be eliminated when mankind is extinct.
 
Upward mobility will only be eliminated when mankind is extinct.

In it's purest sense. We do not need AC. It is a luxury, even in AZ. First, one learns to take care of oneself & his/her family. Once a firm footing is established can one look at or concern themselves with luxuries. We've lived far longer, as a species, without any of those luxuries & most of the world still does without.

My argument is not with what we have or don't have. It's with the grand lie our politicians & barons tell us:more more more. Consume consume consume. Which I love to participate in. However, it is a choice, no more, no less.
 
PuterTutor said:
My point is, don't put down the parents that have to work outside of the home, it is not greed, but necessity, and just because our children are not with a parent 24/7 does not mean they are going to grow up to be criminals. If the parents do a good job in the time they have, these children have as much opportunity as the next.

I have to agree with this point. Some people don't have the luxury of moving elsewhere. My roots are here, my family is here, my culture is here. It's expensive living in Hawaii, but I wouldn't move for anything.

Sure, both of us have to work to support our little family, but to be able to raise our daughter in Hawaii, where she can grow up knowing and practicing the same things that her ancestors have been doing for hundreds of years, that's priceless.

One of the great things about our Hawaiian culture is that everyone still is responsible for raising a child. Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, older siblings, etc. Even if both parents have to work to support, the child is cared for by others in the family, raised with the same familial values. I fully expect nalani to discipline my kids if they get out of hand, just as she would expect me to discipline hers. I wouldn't move away from this familial setting for anything.
 
Gonz said:
My argument is not with what we have or don't have. It's with the grand lie our politicians & barons tell us:more more more. Consume consume consume. Which I love to participate in. However, it is a choice, no more, no less.

Granted, buying just for the sake of buying isn't good. We have to choose which things will actually add value to our lives. Air conditioning adds value to my life. Besides keeping the house cool, it keeps the moisture down and prevents mold from growing all over everything. I wouldn't raise children in Florida without it.
 
BTW, Les, sweetie-baby. My last post was not directed at you. I knew you read the entire article because you posted some of the lines from it. If other folks read the whole article, they would see what, exactly, the writer is trying to get across, instead of what they want to see...
 
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