Are we good or what

Gonz

Gonz

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We pollute the planet. We are destroying the ozone layer. We are creating havoc in the way nature intended its inhabitants to couterbalance each other.

Now, we're gonna fuck up Mars.

I say HELL YEA!!!!!


Nobody any longer expects Martian life forms to be anything like those on Earth. But there remains a possibility that bacteria or other microscopic organisms may survive in regions where there is still water. On Earth, almost every imaginable habitat, including deep underground, has specialised bacteria — called extremophiles — living and thriving.

The risks are twofold: probes sent from Earth may contaminate Mars with terrestrial bacteria, wrecking future studies of Martian life; or, more important, bacteria brought back from Mars may contaminate the Earth with unpredictable effects.
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Timesonline
 
*sighing, turning on pre-recorded message*


There ain't no little green men. They do not exist. There ain't nothing but rocks and gasses and minerals and junk out there. Quit wasting billions upon billions of dollars looking for what ain't there, and instead put those dollars to work saving our own planet which we know to be inhabited. Put them to work helping those inhabitants. Pay off the damn national debt - keep the next three space missions at home instead. Turn Kennedy Space Center into a homeless shelter. Make the Space Shuttles into upscale dining establishments. Leave the alien invasion bullshit where it belongs - in the fevered imaginings of crackpot S/F writers and Hollyweird movie producers, the lot of whom ain't exactly what I'd call great minds to start with. This is a recording. There ain't no little green men. They do....
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Turn Kennedy Space Center into a homeless shelter.
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I know it's not, but this sounds like a suggestion someone on the far left might make. Why are we sending rockets to mars when we can pour all our money into a hole in the ground right here on earth? Very short-sighted, IMHO.
 
abooja said:
I know it's not, but this sounds like a suggestion someone on the far left might make. Why are we sending rockets to mars when we can pour all our money into a hole in the ground right here on earth? Very short-sighted, IMHO.
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It may seem all like a conspiracy to see if Burma Shave signs can be placed out in the cosmos ... but to me it has far reaching effects with real benefits to mankind.

The slow advancement of space aeronautics will eventually come up with a system to do cheap payload delivery into space. That would make it possible to set up a whole new realm of cheap inexhaustable energy sources in space. Granted, there will be a 3 generation rim job for the cost ... but our grandkids will be sitting fat and pretty.
 
R * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L = N


R= The number of suitable stars — stars like the sun — that form in our galaxy per year.
Fp = The fraction of these stars that have planets. (1=100 percent. .25=25 percent.)
Ne= The number of Earth-like planets — meaning planets that have liquid water — within each planetary system.
Fl = The fraction of Earth-like planets where life develops.
Fi = The fraction of life sites where intelligent life develops.
Fc = The fraction of intelligent life sites where communication develops.
L = "The "lifetime" (in years) of a communicative civilization.
N = The number of communicative civilizations within the Milky Way today.

They might not be green, hell..they might not come form Mars...but we, on earth, are definately NOT alone.
 
but we, on earth, are definately NOT alone.
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I'd like to think that somewhere out there is another civilized society & I actually believe there is but "definately" is a stretch.
 
It would be MOST arrogant of mankind to think that he was the only life in the Cosmos.

Similar to believing the earth was flat.
 
Gonz said:
I'd like to think that somewhere out there is another civilized society & I actually believe there is but "definately" is a stretch.
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Just think of it this way...the odds are just so close to definitive that we shouldn't even consider it an odd but an actuality.

100Billion+ stars per galaxy
several hundred million galaxies
each star has a chance of having planets (and with our recent findings..those odds are getting greater every day)
each planet has odds of harboring life.

Even if we're talking a billion to one odds for life on a planet AND a billion to one odds for a planet circling a star which is stable enogh...we'd still be talking about several hundred million planets with life on them. Intelligent life...that's what a million to one.

Depends on how you view the odds... IMHO...there are at least 1000 planets with intelligent life on them surpassing us or equaling us.

OTOH - I doubt that any of them have found us, much less visited.
 
unclehobart said:
It may seem all like a conspiracy to see if Burma Shave signs can be placed out in the cosmos ... but to me it has far reaching effects with real benefits to mankind.

The slow advancement of space aeronautics will eventually come up with a system to do cheap payload delivery into space. That would make it possible to set up a whole new realm of cheap inexhaustable energy sources in space. Granted, there will be a 3 generation rim job for the cost ... but our grandkids will be sitting fat and pretty.
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well said. glad to see someone understands the concept of long term investments. Im so tired of the old space exploration is a waste of money argument. if we had followed that philosophy we would still be living in little bands on the african savanahs rather then all over the world in every condition. and im also tired of the lets take NASAs budget and put it to funding soup kitchens argument. If you think the money would go right from the space program to shelters and education then you dont know how our government works. and i have a bridge to sell you. the drop in the bucket that is the space program would vanish so fast in the pork gauntlet that is congress that you wouldnt have time to blink.

as for the worry about contaminating mars, it is there which is why they sterilize the crap out of the probes and things they send up to explore other celestial bodies. They even altered Galileo's course to deliberately destroy it in Jupiters crushing gravity rather then risk it falling into the oceans of Europa, hidden by miles of ice. Its a place that scientists feel is very high on the list of possible locations for life to develp in our solar system.
 
Thulsa Doom said:
well said. glad to see someone understands the concept of long term investments. Im so tired of the old space exploration is a waste of money argument. if we had followed that philosophy we would still be living in little bands on the african savanahs rather then all over the world in every condition. and im also tired of the lets take NASAs budget and put it to funding soup kitchens argument. If you think the money would go right from the space program to shelters and education then you dont know how our government works. and i have a bridge to sell you. the drop in the bucket that is the space program would vanish so fast in the pork gauntlet that is congress that you wouldnt have time to blink.

as for the worry about contaminating mars, it is there which is why they sterilize the crap out of the probes and things they send up to explore other celestial bodies. They even altered Galileo's course to deliberately destroy it in Jupiters crushing gravity rather then risk it falling into the oceans of Europa, hidden by miles of ice. Its a place that scientists feel is very high on the list of possible locations for life to develp in our solar system.
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My God. We agree on something. *staggers off, clutching chest*
 
While the space program is a nice hobby for us newly out of the trees primates I'd recommend we restart Superconducting Super Collider project.

If we could unravel the ultimate mystery we'd get the tech we'd need to REALLY travel in space.
 
Winky said:
While the space program is a nice hobby for us newly out of the trees primates I'd recommend we restart Superconducting Super Collider project.

If we could unravel the ultimate mystery we'd get the tech we'd need to REALLY travel in space.
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I'm not so sure. Speed of light is the speed limit in this universe and I'm not so certain it's possible to take a shortcut through another one (and survive anyway), if they even exist. Romantic notion though.
 
If that were (is) true then inter-galactic travel is impossible and I for one do not believe in impossible. 400 years ago we didn’t even conceive of the ‘speed of light’ in the future who knows?
 
HomeLAN said:
My God. We agree on something. *staggers off, clutching chest*
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oh come on im sure theres been at least two or three times in the past year where my opinion on issues hasnt illicited either frothing anger or bitter disgust. :D
 
Thulsa Doom said:
oh come on im sure theres been at least two or three times in the past year where my opinion on issues hasnt illicited either frothing anger or bitter disgust. :D
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Was i without net usage during those times? :D
 
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