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TD said:
They HAVE tightened up the limits on those receiving welfare.
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They have? Then explain why, the other day, as my wife & I stopped at a cheapie grocer for something, stood in line behind Queen LaFatass & her 3 little princes (who, between them uttered the word fuck no less than a dozen times in 3 minutes). Momma had lots & lots of gold to go with her overstretched Nike jogging suit & all three boys were wearing Nike, from the shoes to the hat. After popping out her Inidana Food Stamp Program card & paying for ice cream & waffles, the left the store & jumped into a Cadillac...not a 75 Eldorado with dents & rust....oh no, this was an brand new Escalade with the ugy ass rims (spinners?).

Musta been her bosses huh?
 
No, probably from her baby's daddy's drug sale that went well a few weeks ago.

I do get pissed off when I see people abuse the system, simply because I work a full time job (was a single parent for 8 years) the only support that I got was I lived with my parents until my daughter was 5. Now I work a full time job make good money and so does my husband, but I know we sure can't afford to drive hooped out cars (not that I would want one) wear all the lastest fashion thingys. So, yes I get really ill when I see someone in the system not doing a damn thing to ever get off that system.

I know Florida has tougher rules for their programs, they sure aren't getting tougher on dead beat parents though.
 
Gonz said:
They have? Then explain why, the other day, as my wife & I stopped at a cheapie grocer for something, stood in line behind Queen LaFatass & her 3 little princes (who, between them uttered the word fuck no less than a dozen times in 3 minutes). Momma had lots & lots of gold to go with her overstretched Nike jogging suit & all three boys were wearing Nike, from the shoes to the hat. After popping out her Inidana Food Stamp Program card & paying for ice cream & waffles, the left the store & jumped into a Cadillac...not a 75 Eldorado with dents & rust....oh no, this was an brand new Escalade with the ugy ass rims (spinners?).

Musta been her bosses huh?
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My what an exceptional single eye witness anecdote you relate. Almost seems too good to be true in the fullness of its stereotyping completeness. You must check out awful quick too by the way to be able to be in the line behind her then suddenly outside in time to see her come out and get in her car (which Im assuming was parked at the curb in front of the store or in a handicapped spot blasting gangsta rap right?)... But perhaps you arent relating the logistics terribly well so Ill try not to be openly dubious.

So how much do my observations count in comparison? I live in a mostly black community (since apparently according to your example this is a wide spread black problem we are to assume) and in the hundreds of times Ive gone to the grocery store i have NEVER witnessed ANYTHING like that ONCE. No instead all I have seen is blacks buying things with cash with credit cards with debit cards. Some have had annoying kids. Some have had big asses. A scant few may have even uttered a curse (but very few) but then Ive seen all these same things at essentially the same rates when I lived in a predominantly white community. So should your single quite exceptional story take precedent over my hundreds and hundreds of eye witness accounts of grocery store purchases? And that its clearly the end of the world because of those billions of Cadillac welfare queens filling the stores daily with their evil spawn?

By the way I noted you didnt address my point about republicans being in power for quite some time now. nor did you address the point about welfare reform having been made. was that an illusion of the early 90s then?
 
Where in his story did he say it was a black person?

I have seen many "white people" that also fit that description.
 
Welfare is a state issue & the pols (R & D) are too chickenshit to do much. The Republican federal congress got Clinton to sign welfare reform after three tries (the polls musta changed).

As for my example, I don't live in a predominately (fill in color here) neighborhood. I live in a poor-lower middle class neighborhood. The white piece of shit behind us sells drugs by having people use their food stamp card to buy him groceries. Even though, in one specific instance, the kid who is supposed to be fed from that system is literally going hungry. Good thing granma lives across the street or she might be dead. The white POS has back problems & is disabled for life. Of course, he can lift cases of beer & ride bicycles & chop firewood.

Maybe you'd like to hear about the kid down the road. Smelly little fuck, that kid. Attention span of a housefly. Call CPS & tell them the story & they say they'll look into it. What do they do? They call the mother & tell her they'll be there next week. Chilpd protective services my ass.

Reform doesn't work. Put their ass to work & stop the welfare system dead in its tracks.
 
Gonz said:
I don't live in a predominately (fill in color here) neighborhood. I live in a poor-lower middle class neighborhood.
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Em... no...

I love the way Americans and sadly some Brits bandy the term "middle class" around...

The formulae for status is simple...

If you earn money by getting off your ass or getting out of bed... leaving the house (optional!).. then you're WORKING CLASS! You WORK for a living...

Barristers, teachers, politicians, judges, company directors, working from home IT peops... even highly paid actors... ALL WORKING CLASS!

Middle class individuals earn money without actually working... they don't need to leave the house at 7:00am to haul ass into the office... leave their bed to switch on the computer... or work through the night... they make money by owning property and businesses which run themselves... leaving them to slink about on the golf course as the pounds stack up automatically!
 
Sorry...American middle class earn money by several ways. The working class earn it by working menial labor.
 
Gonz said:
Reform doesn't work. Put their ass to work & stop the welfare system dead in its tracks.
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Close enough for rock and roll.

To quote the much loved Abraham Lincoln him own self...

"You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

To me, that includes feeding your family. To me, that includes pulling your own weight unless physically or mentally unable to do so. To me, that means getting off your ass and getting a job and making decisions about family size based at least somewhat on your ability to support them. Translation: if you can't afford a twelfth kid, wear a rubber.

Handouts take away initiative. When someone knows they never have to work, they won't work. When someone is told that their medical needs will be met free of charge, that beats any copay any insurance company offers to pieces. We have encouraged people (note I said people, and people only) to become dependent on government assistance to the point that their initiative is dead.

I hear stories from time to time about poor children born into this system who reach down deep inside, grab themselves by the bootstraps, and dedicate themselves to something (academics, sports, the arts, whatever) and improve their lot in life. These people are role models and should be celebrated far beyond some buffoon who wins a scripted contest on an island somewhere. Warrick Dunn, RB for the Falcons, is a prime example. That man is worthy of public accolade. He is also, sadly, the exception rather than the rule. And a quick trip to any city's low income neighborhood will prove it.

Initiative. The unflappable will to improve one's circumstances as much as possible.

Compare that to the practice of laying back and cashing the government check. I have words for that, but for the sake of decorum will not indulge here.

Defend whomever you like. I choose to support the ones actually working to pay their own way. Call it a character flaw; I like people who aren't lazy. Sue me.
 
Gonz said:
Sorry...American middle class earn money by several ways. The working class earn it by working menial labor.
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Em... no... the American's and sadly some Brits delude themselves that they are middle class.. when they're not...

Whether you lift a spade or lift a pen for work... you're working.

But sorry... this is off topic and socialist semmantics... something very close to my heart... :winkkiss:
 
AllEars' said:
Where in his story did he say it was a black person?

I have seen many "white people" that also fit that description.
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Youve seen many white people that look like Queen Latifah?
 
CB, there is a distinction between white collar and blue collar jobs, hence a distinction between working class (generally considered menial labour) and middle class (generally white collar jobs). Like all definitions however, it ain't cut 'n dried. There is some level of debate over the exact terminology and to whom it refers to. So in all honestly, both you and gonz are right, depending upon which arguments you subscribe to. :shrug:

Middle Class
Working Class
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
The day I walked across a college campus hungry, cold due to inadequate coat, and exhausted from studying, and happened to be behind three divas draped in gold, wearing running suits that each cost more than everything in my closet combined, and listened to them bitch because they HAD to go to college because they got it free because they are black women, while I could not get dime one of financial aid and honestly wanted to be there, my attitudes changed forever.
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I understand this totaly. I think I just read your post a bit wrong. My cousin is even worse than those freeloaders. She acctually told me once that "why would she go out and get a job when she could live comfertably off MY tax dollars". Messed up huh? SHe had all three of her kids taken away and she lost most of her benefits so she moved to another state (as her 2 years in CO were almost up) and had another baby. Granted, she is 23 and not 13, but dammit, I take care of her children. Not just with tax dollars, but I have to help feed them (well two of them, one of them had a GOOD dad) and take care of them and answer questions about "how come momy's not coming back". How do you tell them that they were severly abused and neglected and that mommy won't come back because she can't lay off the booze and drugs that her Food Stamp cash pays for?

People like that make me sick.

As for financial aid. It took me forever to be able to qualify for the little bit i get now since I was married and my husband and I made too much money and then when I was divorced, my mother who I lived with made too much money. Then you go in and see all these free loaders and trust fund babies that could care less what grade they got or what they learned.

OT...Have you tried for any scholarships? Depending on your area of studies, the Ann Rand scholarship is a pretty good one.
 
There will always be people who abuse a good thing, and then complain if that good thing is removed. Case in point...

About 5 years ago, a woman, who was in my unit, was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force. She had a penchant for having children...out of wedlock (old term). She would get pregnant, get the guy to pay child support, and bankroll all of her paycheck because the service covered the rest. This wouldn't have mattered except for one thing...she had 5 kids this way, by five different fathers (sperm donors), and refused to marry any of them. When she was told to cease this behavior, as it was 'Conduct Unbecoming an NCO', she laid low for about 2 years, and then had another child. She figured the change of First Sergeants would grant her a clean slate. :rolleyes: Some of you may complain that she was treated unfairly, but she disobeyed orders as well. [donning flameproof suit]
 
We need an "Conduct Unbecoming" clause in real life. There used to be one.
 
Gonz said:
We need an "Conduct Unbecoming" clause in real life. There used to be one.
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Before it was banned from public schools, gathering places, and everywhere else but the living room and a three hour window on Sundays.
 
The good of the individual outweigh the good of the masses. I learnt that on Star Trek.
 
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