Beagle team 'not giving up yet'

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The scientist leading the Beagle project says he has not given up hope of contacting the missing Mars lander.
The UK-built probe failed to transmit a signal on reaching the planet early on Christmas Day.

A later sweep of Mars by the Jodrell Bank radio telescope also failed to detect any sign of the probe, and there are fears it could have crashed.

But Professor Colin Pillinger said he had faith it had landed safely, adding: "We will hang on testing and waiting."

He told a press conference on Boxing Day the robotic probe was programmed to make several more transmissions in the coming days.

The next chance to hear from it was at 1815 GMT on Friday, when the US Mars orbiter Odyssey passes over its planned landing zone.

Jodrell Bank will also try again to pick up a signal from the craft between 1800 GMT and midnight.

Long-term, the Mars Express [Beagle's mothership, which carried it into space and set it loose about a week ago] should be in position to try to make contact with its "baby" early in the New Year.

"We're still early days in extra time," said Prof Pillinger.

If it had landed safely, Beagle was designed to survive on its automated systems for weeks, if not months, he said.
"So we're not concerned about not being able to contact it.

"If we can contact it, we can pull this thing round. But it's very much like... sending somebody a love letter. You know they've got it and you're waiting for their response."

Prof Pillinger suggested there could be a problem with the clock which switches the Beagle 2 transmitter on and off - so the researchers could have been listening for a signal at the wrong time.

"If the clock is telling it something wrong, and the clock gets reset because there was a computer glitch, then the clock could be completely confusing us," he said.

The Beagle 2 was supposed to have dived into the Martian atmosphere at 0245 GMT on Christmas Day and reached the surface about seven minutes later, its impact softened by parachutes and gas-filled bags.

The probe, which weighs less than 70kg and is only 64cm in diameter, was expected to send a pre-planned signal informing Earth it survived the fiery entry - but none was
forthcoming.

A first attempt to make contact via the US Mars orbiter Odyssey also failed.

Prof Pillinger outlined four other possible reasons why the Beagle had failed to make contact.

It may have crashed; it may have landed in the wrong place; or its clam-like lid may not have opened, he said.

It was also possible the probe's antenna was facing the wrong way.

"You have to liken this to the early days of mobile phones," he said.

"You've got one mobile phone, and one mobile phone mast, and we've got one satellite, and we've got to match these things up. And it's not that easy."

'Grimmer'

Other large radio telescopes have been drafted in to help look, including Stanford in California which will help the search on Saturday evening, and the Westerbourg telescope in the Netherlands.

BBC science correspondent David Shukman said that although the scientists were publicly upbeat, among themselves the mood was less cheerful about the "terrible information vacuum".

"Generally behind the scenes the mood is getting a little grimmer day by day... the longer this goes on, the worse things look," he said.

But Dave Rowntree of the rock band Blur, who wrote the nine-note signal meant to be transmitted from Beagle, said it was too early to give up hope.

He told BBC News Online: "The real attempt involves the Mars Express Orbiter which has got specific equipment to look for Beagle."

Mars Express has already begun orbiting around the Red Planet, and scientists say it appears to be in a good condition.

Its orbit must now be refined so it can take up its science mission - and make contact with Beagle if it truly is operational.

Mars Express is the major part of the European mission - Beagle was a late add-on - and will search for water, ice and key chemicals buried under the Martian surface.

It has a powerful stereo camera system which could in early January, if all else fails, search the planet for signs of Beagle's parachutes and airbags.
 
A shame that. Watched a documentary about it a coupla weeks ago and he amount of work the team put into just funding the project, never mind building the thing, was phenomanal.
 
well lets not give up all hope quite yet theres still some other "windows" in the next week or two where we might still pick it up. And even if its lost theres two other probes scheduled to do their bit in January. Lets hope by the end of next month we have had some successes at least. But this all goes to the point about just how hard this kind of thing is to do. SO many factors to juggle. So many possibilities for problems. I think we can only expect to have a certain percentage of succes when it comes to actually exploring other planets from their surface. We just have to think long term. As disapointing as EACH loss is at the time...
 
Current status

29-Dec-2003
09:30 GMT

No signal received via Odyssey.


Up to the second source

"Unh hunh..unh hunh...Yipyipyipyipyipyipyip..Unh---hunh!"


Translation - "Oh look...another toy!"

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So, the point of these probes is to find life on mars?

Seriously, what are we going to do when life is found? Will the world as we know it be profoundly affected? Will it take years for nay-sayers to believe there's really life there? Are we prepared to wake up a martian society and piss them off so they can blow Earth up?

:shrug: I'm just sayin' ...
 
Actually...half the scientists are hoping that the DON'T find life there. You can't terraform a planet with life on it...that'd be horrible!

The other half want proof that life evelved on mars first and moved to earth via asteroid, or that we're not alone in this big-ol Universe.
 
Rose said:
So, the point of these probes is to find life on mars?

Seriously, what are we going to do when life is found? Will the world as we know it be profoundly affected? Will it take years for nay-sayers to believe there's really life there? Are we prepared to wake up a martian society and piss them off so they can blow Earth up?

:shrug: I'm just sayin' ...

sayin what? that theres no point to explore?
 
Oh no. I'm all for exploration. Kinda. If the probes are there to explore, that's great. Research. Whatever. But isn't their 'main' purpose of research to find life? That has always made me a little wary. I don't believe Humans, as a whole, are able to accept life on other planets, even if 'we' think we are.

:shrug:
 
Bungi said:
You obviously don't watch enough movies :p

probably because theres not enough movies about space microbes. I did just watch Amazon Women on the Moon though. If Mars is filled with fabulous looking busty females and no males well all the more reason to search for life i think...
 
Squiggy said:
extraterrestrials are being probed by earthlings? :eek5: Theres a twist...

The tough part won't be finding life on Mars...the tough part will be locating their anuses so that we can shove a probe up THEIR butts for once! :rofl:

It'll be a while before we can catch up to all the things that they've supposedly done to us. We've got to kill their cows, rape their women, we've got to spend a few years buzzing selected 'red-necked martians' who happen to be alone without cameras, we've got to upset their electrical systems...hell, we've got to get a few teenage boys up there to deface their corn-fields with extramartial hyroglyphs!!

It'll be years, if not decades before we can make up for all they've done to us. :)
 
I'm ready for life on a another planet. The people around here are pissing me off.
 
PuterTutor said:
I'm ready for life on a another planet. The people around here are pissing me off.

Think about this when you are living on your new planet, it won't be long before the same people arrive to piss you off all over again, they must derive some pleasure out of making you feel utterly miserable whatever you do. :D
 
Thulsa Doom said:
well why not?


Because humans aren't so bright, generally. And while we've learned to adapt quite well, I can't see humans adapting to anything more 'superior' than them, though. And I'm thinking the fear from finding 'aliens', oops - martians, would spread into panic quite quickly.
 
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