Burial Artifact May Be the Oldest Evidence of Christ

HeXp£Øi± said:
No - to be a christian you have to believe that Jesus was the son of god and that he died to attone for your personal sins. Therefore as I don't I'm not a christian although I was brought up with christian values

Says you. Like i said, different people(even christians) believe different things. God knows the heart of man. The bible says in Romans 14:5

Said the "Born-again" christians who succeeded in getting me to join them for a short while until I came to my senses, realised they were a bunch of nutters and got out.
 
Aunty Em said:
HeXp£Øi± said:
No - to be a christian you have to believe that Jesus was the son of god and that he died to attone for your personal sins. Therefore as I don't I'm not a christian although I was brought up with christian values

Says you. Like i said, different people(even christians) believe different things. God knows the heart of man. The bible says in Romans 14:5

Said the "Born-again" christians who succeeded in getting me to join them for a short while until I came to my senses, realised they were a bunch of nutters and got out.

Personally I don't believe that my salvation is through anyone else's efforts but my own. But then I don't believe in the christian concept of heaven and hell anyway - if there's a hell I'd say we're already in it.
 
So, as was belived, the answer to my query is no, mostly because you have to believe in Christ to be CHRISTian. Alas, what would such a person be considered?
 
Gonz said:
So, as was belived, the answer to my query is no, mostly because you have to believe in Christ to be CHRISTian. Alas, what would such a person be considered?

Agnostic perhaps?

ag·nos·tic
n.

1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
3. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Word History: An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things” hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,” as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870.
 
That wasn't quite what I was after. Agnostics generally believe in somehting just not YHWH, specifically. It would most closely relate to Jewish. But, since Jews have a religion, with dogma to follow, that can't be it.
 
Personally I don't believe that my salvation is through anyone else's efforts but my own. But then I don't believe in the christian concept of heaven and hell anyway - if there's a hell I'd say we're already in it.

Oh the sorrow...the heartbreak....the humanity! Life is so unbearable!
***GASP*** how will we ever survive it. :crying6:
 
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