California is losing its title

Gonz

Gonz

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It can no longer be called the land of fruits & nuts when the UK pulls this crap.

British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years.

Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government.

Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax.
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The Independent
 
I don't know though. If you only drive 500km per year do you owe as much road tax as someone who drives 5000? I mean, I pay as much county wheel tax for my bike as I do for my car, yet my car gets used much more. :shrug: It's an approach to solving congestion problems. On the face of it it seems a little ridiculous, but the more I think about it...

Of course, commercial vehicles would have to be exempt. Maybe they could set up some kind of scale for vacation travel as well.
 
chcr said:
I don't know though. If you only drive 500km per year do you owe as much road tax as someone who drives 5000? I mean, I pay as much county wheel tax for my bike as I do for my car, yet my car gets used much more. :shrug: It's an approach to solving congestion problems. On the face of it it seems a little ridiculous, but the more I think about it...

Of course, commercial vehicles would have to be exempt. Maybe they could set up some kind of scale for vacation travel as well.
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Isn't the road tax included in fuel prices?,therefore the more you drive the more you pay especially if you drive a fuel hog.Thats the prob I see with the PAYD ,the big SUVS would pay as much as a small fuel efficiaent vehicle.:eek5:
 
A.B.Normal said:
Isn't the road tax included in fuel prices?,therefore the more you drive the more you pay especially if you drive a fuel hog.Thats the prob I see with the PAYD ,the big SUVS would pay as much as a small fuel efficiaent vehicle.:eek5:
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Yep, that's how it works here. Only applies to state and federal highways though. The county wheel tax maintains the county roads in TN. Is that how it works in the UK though? Besides, I have an SUV and a fuel efficient car. ;)
Note that I'm not necessarily for it, but it's something to think about. I don't think it would be feasible in geographically large countries like the US or Canada, but in the UK...
 
Gonz said:
It can no longer be called the land of fruits & nuts when the UK pulls this crap.



The Independent
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No we still retain the crown for that kind of behaviour Census 2001

Considering how expensive road tax is I think it would be fairer to charge per mile. As long as they don't start with toll roads aswell. Also Gonz its a small country with a relatively decent public transport system (if your not in a hurry)
 
The greatest mass transit system know to man pales in comparison to the freedom of a car.
 
Winky said:
Hmm lemme see
Firstly you have to purchase a vehicle
(and in many cases pay interest on a loan
with income that has already been taxed at rates upwards of 50%)
Now you have to obtain insurance by force of law, (unless you are illegal)
an insurance that so many of us will never even come close to breaking even on,
so few will ever have claims that equal or exceed the amount paid out over our driving lifetimes.
Then of course you must bow down to the government
for the 'privilege’ of a drivers license.
Then of course you must 'title' this private property
and pay in many cases an outrageous amount to register
every year and here you pay to have the 'emissions' tested.
OK then you have to buy gas that is taxed as heavily as liquor.

M'Kay you are now ready to operate this vehicle under the complete and total jurisdiction of the government traffic laws. If you don't have the brains to secure precious cargo such as babies or even yerself you are in violation.
Did I miss anything?

Now there those who'd gladly pay a per mile tax to drive their cars?

I sit and ponder if I will live to see the day when Americans
will finally rise up in the streets and proclaim

"enough is enough"!
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They'd have to remove at least one of the existing taxes.
 
*Ahem...

1. The federal interstate system was biult for what purpose?

2. Personal ownership of an motor vehicle of any type is not restricted, however, driving said vehicle is. Why?

3. Freedom of movement is an inherant right, but using a motor vehicle is not. Why?
 
Gato_Solo said:
*Ahem...

1. The federal interstate system was built for what purpose?

To land fighter aircraft and bombers.
(or was that the autobahn?)

2. Personal ownership of an motor vehicle of any type is not restricted, however, driving said vehicle is. Why?

Are there provisions for licensing titleing, registering and taxing horses in the constitution?

3. Freedom of movement is an inherent right, but using a motor vehicle is not.

Because the Guberment has invaded each and every facet
of our lives? And you are fine with that?!?
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Winky said:
Originally Posted by Gato_Solo
*Ahem...

1. The federal interstate system was built for what purpose?

To land fighter aircraft and bombers.
(or was that the autobahn?)

2. Personal ownership of an motor vehicle of any type is not restricted, however, driving said vehicle is. Why?

Are there provisions for licensing titleing, registering and taxing horses in the constitution?

3. Freedom of movement is an inherent right, but using a motor vehicle is not.

Because the Guberment has invaded each and every facet
of our lives? And you are fine with that?!?
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The answer to numbers one, and two, are wrong. This, of course makes number three wrong as well.

The answer to number one is military transport. Although you can land on the highway in certain areas, the original purpose is to transport troops and equipment.

The answer to number two is a bit more complicated. When the motor vehicle was first invented, no license was required. There wasn't even a decent road system. Horses, trains, and feet were the main transportation. Trains were on privately owned and maintained rails, so that took care of that. The original owners of motor vehicles were wealthy, and used them mostly as 'status symols', only to be driven on special occasions. This all changed with Henry Ford. Now, anybody could buy a car, and quite a few folks did. Notice nothing has been said yet about licensing. That starts now, when everybody can afford a motor vehicle, and the accident rate skyrockets. Now you have to prove that you are capable of handling a motor vehicle. Horses don't have collisions, horses don't travel at more than 40 miles an hour, and horses have a vested interest in staying alive. ;) That's what makes number three incorrect. Because most folks have no inkling when driving that they are in command of a 2500 pound, or more, killing machine. If you let just anyone drive 'willy-nilly', that's what you're going to have. The highways are dangerous enough as it is without the added pressure of somebody with more money than sense behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. ;)
 
Well then we must outlaw Kars cuz every year we kill
as many people as ten years of war in 'Nam did.
Oh and the three hundred thousand WIA on our highways
I almost fergot aboot that.

So this wunderful regulation has made commanding these
vile 2,500 pound weepons safe???

*scratches head and wonders wtf kinda car Grotto drives
that tips the scales @ 2500 pounds heh*
 
Winky said:
Well then we must outlaw Kars cuz every year we kill
as many people as ten years of war in 'Nam did.
Oh and the three hundred thousand WIA on our highways
I almost fergot aboot that.
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Nope. We, as a society, has accepted those deaths as an aceptable hazard. :shrug:

Winky said:
So this wunderful regulation has made commanding these
vile 2,500 pound weepons safe???
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I'd say safer. Could you imagine the carnage if we didn't have any regulations?

Winky said:
*scratches head and wonders wtf kinda car Grotto drives
that tips the scales @ 2500 pounds heh*
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My Audi weighs in at 2989. I use 2500 as a base. Lots of Escorts, et al, still on the road. ;)
 
Wish I still had my 74 Pinto
now there was a great car from the
Arab Oil Embargo.

Dang when I drive around here I have to remind
myself that there are regulations.
Someone should remind
the folks driving those vehicles with the "sonora" plates?
 
You would think so wouldn't you.

Reasons why its rude to ask foreigners to speak your language in your country(lifted from the report):

The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE)
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Publicly funded, recently published a report on the most racist county in the country. glad i'm paying for that.

Experts believe the firm could have infringed workers' human rights and European employment law.
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Europe and Lawyers fee, enough said i think.

Complaints by staff were made to Qassim Afzal, a former Manchester city councillor and member of the federal executive of the Liberal Democrat Party, who speaks on equality issues
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We no longer go to elected representatives to resolve issues, as all race issues are best handled by non white liberals who speak on equality issues.

They are British-born people.
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We had a rule at university, You only spoke english in our flat. There's only one reason you would start speaking another language in front of someone, because you were excluding them.

Employment law specialists said the "English language only" rule could be discriminatory - because only someone of English origin could fully comply.
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Didn't he just say they were british born?
 
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