CIA official: "intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already made"

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Here's one to think about...

Winter Break

So after our sunburns have faded and the memories of our winter break
have been reduced to pictures we've pinned on our desk boards, and once
again we've exchanged t-shirts and swim suits for flight suits and
camouflage, there still remains the question that every cadet at the
U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs has asked themselves at some
point: Why did we come back?

Why, after spending two weeks with our family would we return to one of
the most demanding lifestyles in the country? After listening to our
friends' who are home from State or Ivy League schools chock full of
wisdom about how our war in Iraq is unjust and unworldly, why would we
return? And after watching the news and reading the papers which only
seem to condemn the military's every mistake and shadow every victory,
why would we continue to think it is worth the sacrifice of a normal
college life?

Is it because the institution to which we belong is tuition-free?
Anyone who claims this has forgotten that we will, by the time we
graduate, repay the U.S. taxpayer many times over in blood, sweat, and
tears. Is it because the schooling we are receiving is one of the best
undergraduate educations in the country? While the quality of the
education is second to none, anyone who provides this as a main reason
has lost sight of the awesome responsibility that awaits those who are
tough enough to graduate and become commissioned officers in the U.S.
Air Force.

I come back to the Academy because I want to have the training necessary
so that one day I'll have the incredible responsibility of leading the
sons and daughters of America in combat. These men and women will never
ask about my Academy grade point average, their only concern will be
that I have the ability to lead them expertly - I will be humbled to
earn their respect.

I come back to the Academy because I want to be the commander who saves
lives by negotiating with Arab leaders... in their own language. I come
back to the Academy because, if called upon, I want to be the pilot who
flies half way around the world with three mid-air refuelings to send a
bomb from 30,000 feet into a basement housing the enemy... though a
ventilation shaft two feet wide. For becoming an officer in today's
modern Air Force is so much more than just command; it is being a
diplomat, a strategist, a communicator, a moral compass, but always a
warrior first.

I come back to the Air Force Academy because right now the United States
is fighting a global war that is an 'away game' in Iraq - taking the
fight to the terrorists. And whether or not we think the terrorists
were in Iraq before our invasion, they are unquestionably there now. And
if there is any doubt as to whether this is a global war, just ask the
people in Amman, in London, in Madrid, in Casablanca, in Riyadh, and in
Bali. This war must remain an away game because we have seen what
happens when it becomes a home game... I come back to the Academy
because I want to be a part of that fight. I come back to the Academy
because I don't want my vacationing family to board a bus in Paris that
gets blown away by someone who thinks that it would be a good idea to
convert the Western world to Islam. I come back to the Academy because I
don't want the woman I love to be the one who dials her last frantic
cell phone call while huddled in the back of an airliner with a hundred
other people seconds away from slamming into the Capitol building. I
come back to the Academy because during my freshman year of high school
I sat in a geometry class and watched nineteen terrorists change the
course of history live on television. For the first time, every class
currently at a U.S. Service Academy made the decision to join after the
2001 terror attacks. Some have said that the U.S.
invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan only created more terrorists... I say
that the attacks of September 11th, 2001 created an untold more number
of American soldiers; I go to school with 4,000 of them. - And that's
worth missing more than a few frat parties.

Joseph R. T******
Cadet Fourth Class,
United States Air Force Academy

You wonder where leaders come from?
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Tommy
By Rudyard Kipling, 1892
I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

The girls behind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,

I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy go away";

But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play-

The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,

O it's "Thank you Mr Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,

They gave a drunk civilian roo, but 'adn't none for me;

They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,

But when it comes to fighting', Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy wait outside";

But it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide-

The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,

O it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;

An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit

Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy 'ow's yer soul?"

But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll-

The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,

O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes," when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;

An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,

Why single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy fall be'ind,"

But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind-

There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,

O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:

We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.

Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face

The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck 'im out, the brute!"

But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;

An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
 

flavio

Banned
Re: CIA official: "intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already mad

The Other One said:
So who do you think is at fault here? C'mon....say it....you know you want to.
The War For Terror obviously.


1500 have died in a country where there is a war? I'm shocked.

The remaining 1300 is 1700 LESS than the number of Americans that died in 2 hours at the filthy, blood-stained hands of Islam.
So your saying an increase in deaths from terrorism is ok as long as the number is less than 9/11 deaths after you subtract any that occur in Iraq? I don't see the justification.

But you know what the Kurran compells them to do: "Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5

So terrorism-related deaths on the rise since 9-11 isn't really all that much of a surprise.
That book just came out after 9/11?


They start 'em young, don'tcha think?

The knives are clean---for now.
They're cute....about as cute as those bloodthirsty little neocon kids.

I guess you don't think that Iraq is the geographic base of al Qaeda?
I don't think any intelligent informed person would think that.

Or, in keeping with the conspiracy theory-ulterior motive lib crowd:

Could it be that Iraq is now situated to become a major base of operations aimed straight at Syria and Iran?
Hmmmnnn....might have something to do with it

Or maybe it's something as simple as:

From the Joint Resolution on the Use of Force Against Iraq (Overwhelmingly Supported by Dems):
Well, obviously that's not it.

The facts are that Iraq trained Al-Qaeda terrorists, Iraq was involved with 9-11, Iraq had a deal with Bin Laden, Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. in 1993, 1996, 1998, 2000 and 2001.
Those aren't facts or you'd have some proof. Even the source you quote doesn't any connection as fact.

Again with the WMDs? OK---here you go:
Find some?http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

We have struck a major blow against terrorism by planting a representative government in the middle of the caliphate.
Terrorism has increased remember?

You surely aren't pinning hopes of an impeachment on this, are you:
No, hadn't even heard of that document.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
Re: CIA official: "intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already mad

flavio said:
They're cute....about as cute as those bloodthirsty little neocon kids.
Nowww, that just sounds hateful.
Bet you like to just kill the little bastards, wouldn't you?
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Tapes reveal WMD plans by Saddam
BY: Rowan Scarborough, The Washington Times*
03/13/2006


Audiotapes of Saddam Hussein and his aides underscore the Bush administration's argument that Baghdad was determined to rebuild its arsenal of weapons of mass destruction once the international community had tired of inspections and left the Iraqi dictator alone.

In addition to the captured tapes, U.S. officials are analyzing thousands of pages of newly translated Iraqi documents that tell of Saddam seeking uranium from Africa in the mid-1990s.

The documents also speak of burying prohibited missiles, according to a government official familiar with the declassification process.

But it is not clear whether Baghdad did what the documents indicate, said the U.S. official, who asked not to be named.

"The factories are present," an Iraqi aide tells Saddam on one of the tapes, made by the dictator in the mid-1990s while U.N. weapons inspectors were searching for Baghdad's remaining stocks of weapons of mass destruction.

"The factories remain, in the mind they remain. Our spirit is with us, based solely on the time period," the aide says, according to the documents. "And [inspectors] take note of the time period, they can't account for our will."

The quote is from roughly 12 hours of taped conversations that unexpectedly landed in the lap of Bill Tierney, a former Army warrant officer and Arabic speaker who was translating for the FBI tapes unearthed in Iraq after the invasion.

Mr. Tierney made a copy, which he provided to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The committee in turn gave a copy to intelligence analysts who authenticated the voice as that of Saddam.

Mr. Tierney said that the quote from the Saddam aide, and scores of others, show Saddam was rebuilding his once-ample weapons stocks.

"The tapes show that Saddam rebuilt his program and successfully prevented the U.N. from finding out about it," he said.

There also exists a quote from the dictator himself, who ordered the tapings to keep a record of his inner-sanctum discussions, that Mr. Tierney thinks shows Saddam planned to use a proxy to attack the United States.

"Terrorism is coming ... with the Americans," Saddam said. "With the Americans, two years ago, not a long while ago, with the English I believe, there was a campaign ... with one of them, that in the future there would be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction."

The tapes are spurring a new debate over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stocks more than a year after the CIA's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) completed a lengthy postwar inspection. It concluded that Iraq did not possess stocks of weapons of mass destruction when the U.S-led coalition invaded in March 2003.

There is more to come. House intelligence committee Chairman Rep. Peter Hoekstra, Michigan Republican, told The Washington Times that about 500 hours of additional Saddam tapings are still being translated and analyzed by the U.S. In addition, in Qatar, U.S. Central Command's forward headquarters in the Persian Gulf, sit 48,000 boxes of Iraqi documents, of which the military has delivered 68 pages to the committee.

"I don't want to overstate what is in the documents," Mr. Hoekstra said. "I certainly want to get them out because I think people are going to find them very interesting."

He said the office of John D. Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, is now weighing the congressman's request to release 40 of the 68 pages.

Of the tapes released so far, Mr. Hoekstra said, "Everything [Saddam] is doing is saying, 'Let's take it and hide it' with a clear intent. 'As soon as this is over, we're going to be back after this.' "

So far, the tapes do not shed light on what ultimately happened to Saddam's large stocks of weapons of mass destruction. None were found by the ISG, whose director, Charles Duelfer, filed a final report in 2004.

Some pundits and recently retired military officers are convinced that Saddam moved his remaining weapons to Syria. They cite satellite photos of lines of trucks heading into the neighboring country before the invasion and the fact Saddam positioned his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service agents at border crossings.

Mr. Duelfer said there were promising leads that weapons of mass destruction did go into Syria, but the security situation prevented him from closing the loop. Mr. Duelfer concluded that Saddam planned to resume weapons of mass destruction production once the United Nations lifted economic sanctions.

Mr. Tierney said he thinks the regime poured chemical weapons into lakes and rivers and sent other stocks over the border to Syria. Mr. Tierney served as a U.N. weapons inspector in the 1990s.

"The ISG, they were lied to in a very systematic way," he said. "Lying. They were very good at it."
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Look behind the Syrian curtains (or ask a friendly Russian double agent)
 
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