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Worst President? I Don't Think So!
June 14, 2004


Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.

Let's clear up one point: President Bush didn't start the war on terror.
Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
Let's look at the worst president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,
an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.


Johnsonturned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
Over 2,900 lives lost on 9/11.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us,
President Bush has liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida,
put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.
Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq
than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

OUR MILITARY IS GREAT!!!!
 
That's just not right!

For Immediate Release June 06, 2002

Canadian snipers forced to wait for medals
Ottawa—Inky Mark, MP for Dauphin-Swan River-Marquette reacted with disbelief at the news that Canadian snipers in Afghanistan were told they must wait for ‘Canadian Protocol’ to receive medals they earned from the US Military.

“These soldiers earned recognition from the US Military to receive the Bronze Star for bravery. It is common for the US Military to present those medals to foreign soldiers at the same time and in the same ceremony in the field as their own. Yet our soldiers were asked to wait to see if Canada was going to give them the Canadian version of the same medal before they received the US medal. It’s a pretty shameful way for the Liberal government to treat its military,” Mark said.

Two teams of Canadian snipers earned the honour from the US Military for their work in rooting out al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army’s 187th “Rakkasan” brigade in April of this year. The Americans were so impressed with the Canadian snipers they recommended them for medals after the battle. The Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold for reasons of ‘Canadian protocol.’

“It’s a sign that this government just doesn’t get how important decorations are to our soldiers. Receiving a medal, especially from another country is a true honour and boosts morale. To tell a soldier that they must wait, because their own country might honour them with a medal from their own country takes away from their achievement. It’s just shameful. These anti-firearm Liberals can’t accept that these soldiers are being decorated for their ability to kill the enemy with weapons. ” Mark concluded.

If the snipers receive the Bronze Stars, they will be awarded to them at National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa when they return to Canada.
 
Canadian snipers operate with cool but deadly efficiency in Afghan battle
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The National Post ^ | March 19, 2002 | Canadian Press
Posted on 03/19/2002 5:43:11 AM PST by gordgekko
BAGRAM, Afghanistan (CP) - Canada's snipers have ducked mortars and dodged bullets in eastern Afghanistan in the last two weeks. They were nearly shot to pieces by a U.S. Apache helicopter gunship - it stopped firing just in the nick of time.
They are said to have the highest number of confirmed kills of any regular army unit in the battle, though they deny it. And three of them, along with three U.S. special forces soldiers, also rescued a company of the American 101st Airborne Division that was pinned down by enemy fire on the first day of Operation Anaconda - the mission to find and destroy al-Qaida and Taliban forces in the rugged region south of Gardez.
In an interview on a castle-shaped rock from which al-Qaida fighters gave them days of misery earlier this month, one of two detachments of Canada's snipers described an arduous first week of battle. Because of the job they do, the three youthful but cool professional sharpshooters want to be identified only by pseudonyms with their real ages, ranks and home towns.
They landed at first light on March 2, on the first U.S. helicopter flying in with troops from the fabled Screaming Eagles. The troops started taking small-arms fire at the top of the first ridge they hit.
The Americans were pinned down but the three snipers and three special forces troops found a way out. They moved forward and sought high ground.
From there, they began picking off al-Qaida fighters, who were shooting from behind rock piles. A one-hour firefight ensued.
"As soon as we got rid of one guy, another one would come up, and another one," said Master Cpl. Alex, a multi-talented 30-year-old raised in Ottawa and Halifax.
Soon after that battle ended, another began.
Troops from the 101st were able to move into blocking positions while the six engaged a determined enemy.
"The six of us suppressed fire and neutralized the enemy - they were either dead or they ran away," said Alex. "Most of them were killed, as far as we could see."
The snipers were in their element - free-ranging, aggressive, taking the initiative.
But their talent for concealment nearly cost them their lives at the muzzles of an Apache helicopter that came in, guns blazing, chasing an enemy target just beyond them.
Lying prone in their British desert fatigues with padded elbows, front torsos and legs, they were almost invisible against the dry valley floor.
They heard the sound, looked back, saw the dirt spitting up in two rows - and rolled.
The pilot must have seen them at the last moment because the strafing stopped less than a metre from their position.
Their biggest concern, it seemed, was that their coveted .50-calibre sniper rifles almost got hit. "I don't know how the .50 didn't get hit," said Alex. "We laughed after that. You gotta."
For the sake of speed, they were moving without their 50-kilogram rucksacks and spare ammunition. But then they were running low and needed special optics equipment.
Under fire, Cpl. Ed, 25, of Manuels outside St. John's, Nfld., ran the 100 metres back down one side of the ridge and up the other - and then back again with their gear in tow.
They were 3,500 metres high. At such altitudes, the air was gaspingly thin even at a brisk walk. Although extremely fit, Ed was nearly passing out after the two-way sprint, with AK-47 rounds nipping at his heels.
But Ed, who's developed an uncanny Sean Connery imitation, didn't stop there.
Ed grabbed his M-203 grenade launcher and started firing at the al-Qaida fighters who were giving them trouble from a nearby creek bed.
"We don't know what happened," said Alex. "All we know is, their firing stopped."
The snipers also helped extract American troops in trouble.
Under cover of darkness, they and their U.S. special forces comrades led soldiers of the Airborne out of the danger area, scouting ahead for enemy threats and bringing the Americans up a little ways at a time until they eventually linked up with friendly forces.
"Things had to happen, man," Alex said.
They slept the night. All the next day they were under mortar fire - and off and on for the next nine days and nights.
"The mortars were the worst thing," said Master Cpl. Warren, 30, who was born in Owen Sound and grew up in Kincardine, Ont.
Warren knows about mortars; he's a qualified mortarman.
Mortars are an infantry battalion's longest range weapon. Lobbed from up to 5,684 metres away and guided by forward observers, they pack a powerful punch. They don't have to be terribly accurate. Their kill radius is 40 metres. Shrapnel flies in all directions, tearing apart limbs, heads, torsos.
Mortarmen and the forward observers, known as fire controllers, bracket their targets, adjusting their aim from the outside in - one to the left, one to the right - narrowing their range and bearing until they hit their mark.
At one point, the three Canadian snipers were pinned down by mortar fire in a dry riverbed. They were caught out in the open. The rounds came as close as 10 metres.
"They were bracketing us, walking them in," said Warren. "We'd move and they'd adjust fire. Eventually, they ran out of rounds, or they just gave up. I don't know."
They all escaped unscathed physically, but Warren admits the experience will stay with him a long time.
The incoming shells sounded like large birds fluttering their wings, he said. The sound changed as they came closer.
"You could hear the fins rotating as they came in," he said, making a noise like a spinning roulette wheel. "It's a sound I'll never forget."
Senior military officials in Ottawa made a point of praising their work.
"The sniper teams suppressed enemy mortars and heavy machine-gun positions with deadly accuracy," Vice-Admiral Greg Maddison said last week. "Their skills are credited with likely having saved many allied lives."
The snipers returned to base in Bagram, near Kabul, on March 11. Two days later - last Wednesday - the three were out again.
This time they were part of Operation Harpoon, with Canadian troops on "the Whale," a mountain overlooking the Shah-e-Kot valley where al-Qaida fighters were putting up stiff resistance.
Operation Harpoon, carried out in conjunction with Operation Anaconda, consisted of 500 Canadian and 100 U.S. troops under the command of Lt.-Col. Pat Stogran, who leads Canadian Forces in Afghanistan in the biggest ground offensive since the Korean War.
On Thursday, the snipers joined troops from the U.S. 10th Mountain Division in a Canadian-conceived assault on the castle-like rock feature from which al-Qaida fire controllers had guided mortars into their former positions with the 101st.
They took the rock with little resistance, killing several al-Qaida fighters and destroying an extensive cave complex.
The operation showed that Canada "is capable of combat operations," Ed said.
"It was nice as snipers to actually get to do our job in theatre," added Warren.
"I'm extremely happy to be here," said Alex.
"It's not about grabbing oil or anything like that. It's something important."
"Every time something happens, I just think Sept. 11 and all the people who were not involved in armed conflict and were hurt. Innocent people - firefighters, police, women and children - who died just because a man doesn't agree with the way another people live.
 
Re: That's just not right!

American medals are so much more important than Canadian ones of course. And Liberals absolutely created the military protocols.

I think this dude is talking out of his ass at election time.
 
Now this is a Canadian thread

Canadian sniper hero faces court martial
By David Rennie in Washington
(Filed: 25/04/2002)
Link to telegraph article

THE Canadian military has been accused of excessive "squeamishness", after recalling a sniper hailed for his bravery in Afghanistan to face a court martial for shouting at a chaplain.

Master Cpl Arron Perry is one of five Canadian snipers nominated for a Bronze Star by American commanders for saving the lives of US troops during missions to root out die-hard Taliban and al-Qa'eda fighters in mountains.

Cpl Perry has been sent back to Canada to face, instead of a hero's welcome, a court martial on discipline charges, reported to be in connection with threatening remarks he is alleged to have made to the Canadian chaplain during a "stress debriefing".

The sniper is also under investigation in connection with a photograph showing the corpse of an Afghan fighter with a cigarette in its mouth and bearing a sign reading "F*** terrorism". He denies responsibility for the photograph, which was taken during combat.

Cpl Perry is now confined to the city of Edmonton, forbidden from carrying a weapon, and working in a supply role.

"Look at what they did to me," he said. "This is how they show their appreciation to me, by sending me back to Canada."

Military experts yesterday denounced what they called Canada's culture of disdain for its armed services, despite their courageous record in two world wars, as well as in the Korean war and numerous peacekeeping operations.

Canadian commanders have been unusually sensitive to any hint of misconduct since a scandal involving Canadian commandos serving as peacekeepers in Somalia, who beat a teenager to death while he was in their custody.

American plans to award Bronze Stars to all five Canadians have now been delayed.
 
She used the "N" word,She used the "N" word
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"broad insults/tools to be inflammatory"

aw shucks

Well I guess that takes all the fun out of it.


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beannie baby bastards

All right you wimen that are not amused

perhaps this is something that can tickle yer selves
with for a short while. And don't gimme any of that Canada crap I know you folks up there watched em' too.
Prolly still do!
THe Research Monkey ran across this one.

Index of /tvshows/mp3
 
Re: beannie baby bastards

psst... BoP isn't Canadian ;)

I liked this one better but sadly only a few will know wtf I'm talking about - this one made me cry happy reminiscing tears :D

TvOntario shows
 
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