Dems Again Show True Colors

chcr said:
Well, I was against the whole business from the beginning because even looking at the trumped up evidence, they were clearly no threat to us. The post 9/11 paranoia overcame clear thinking, IMO. Overwhelming force, as I have said time and again, was the only way it might have worked and probably still is but we wouldn't do it then and we won't do it now. Cultural understanding between two dudes that meet on the street is a lot different than that between nations and I suspect you know it.

Question though, what would you do if you were in Iraq and came upon a man brutally beating a woman?
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Ask the man why she's getting beaten. :shrug: Thats the only answer I can think of off the top of my head.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Ask the man why she's getting beaten. :shrug: Thats the only answer I can think of off the top of my head.
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Exactly the point. A reasoned response. I would have expected nothing less from you. :shrug:

The whole Iraq fiasco is an unreasoned response to a threat that's looking more and more like it never existed in the first place and the worse it gets, the more unreasoning the responses become.

Regardless of what I personally thought at the beginning, you can't undo what's done. I think everyone who looks at the situation clearly and dispassionately understands that we will leave Iraq and we'll leave it in a worse state than we found it, regardless of what any of us thought of Saddam. From that point of view, sooner is better than later.

Re the title of this thread though, it's absolutely correct. The democrats have shown their true colors.
Question: What, specifically, has changed since the mid-term elections?
Answer: Absolutely nothing of any consequence.
 
chcr said:
Al-qaeda could not care less whether we "win" or "lose" in Iraq, as far as their goals, they've already won.
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Your opinions are influenced by what alQaeda, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, ABC, NBC, CBS, NY TIMES, LA TIMES, USA TODAY, NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE, TIME MAGAZINE, and ANY YELLOW JOURNALISM SPONSORED OPINION POLL tells you?

The "dems" couldn't care less whether we "win or "lose" in Iraq, they just want to get elected, which getting out will likely guarantee.
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For America's safety that is exactly why the left should not be in charge of this country for the next half-century.

I couldn't care less whether we "win" or "lose" in Iraq, I just want the bleeding to stop. Getting out is the fastest, most efficient way to make that happen.
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You really think the bleeding will stop if we leave Iraq?

I would be interested to read what you think the world would be like, with emphasis on the ME and the USA, if we did get out of Iraq.

The simple fact is that there is no sane way to really win in Iraq. Genocide will work, nothing short of that has a chance.
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I've always heard that radical Islam is the problem, and there are plenty of Muslims who feel their religion has been hijacked by a few.

Some nebulous defintion of victory or loss in Iraq is completely meaningless to the American people in general and to the nation's security.
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"Victory in Iraq will come when Iraqi security forces can provide for the safety of their citizens, when terrorists can no longer threaten Iraq's democracy, and when Iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists to plot new attacks on the US." http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html

Besides, the administration declared victory years ago. We already won. :shrug:
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If you are speaking of the 2003 speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, wasn't Pres. Bush referring to "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. Because of you, the members of the United States military, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free." Really, I believe in a war there is more than one mission.

Easy questions, easy answers.
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A Baghdad plea: U.S. should stay and fight

By MOHAMMED FADHIL

Thursday, May 10th 2007, 4:00 AM

I wasn't surprised when I saw Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, appear on Al Jazeera to announce America's defeat last week, not long after U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did. Zawahiri claims Al Qaeda has won, and Reid claims America has lost.

Those who prefer to bury their heads in the dirt today, and withdraw from this difficult fight, will be cursed forever for abandoning their duty when they were most capable. I don't understand why someone who has all the tools for victory would refuse to fight an enemy that reminds us every day that it is evil - with all the daily beheadings, torture and violations of all humane laws and values.

With America's help - and only with its help - the decent people of Iraq can still prevail.





http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions..._a_baghdad_plea_us_should_stay_and_fight.html
 
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The proposed Iraqi legislation, drafted by the parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr...

Ali al-Adeeb, a senior Shiite lawmaker and an aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, questioned the wisdom of asking foreign forces to leave when Iraqi forces were not ready to take full responsibility for security in the country...

Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia, which launched two uprisings against U.S. troops in 2004, has been blamed in much of the recent sectarian violence against Sunnis and has been one of the main targets of a U.S.-Iraqi security crackdown.

Last month, the cleric ordered his six Cabinet ministers to leave the government after the Shiite prime minister refused to put a timetable for foreign troops withdrawal.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070510/...3jwdUpDxHMWM0F
 
Cerise said:
Your opinions are influenced by what alQaeda, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, ABC, NBC, CBS, NY TIMES, LA TIMES, USA TODAY, NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE, TIME MAGAZINE
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You probably don't care, but I take anything any of those say with a grain of salt as a general rule. It's unwise to take what proven liar says at face value. That they occasionally draw similar conclusions simply proves that they're smarter than they seem.

I do notice that conservatives in general and you in particular base a lot of your comments directly on what al-Qaeda (they're the enemy, why do you believe them?) say in the media. :shrug:
 
chcr said:
You probably don't care, but I take anything any of those say with a grain of salt as a general rule. It's unwise to take what proven liar says at face value. That they occasionally draw similar conclusions simply proves that they're smarter than they seem.

I do notice that conservatives in general and you in particular base a lot of your comments directly on what al-Qaeda (they're the enemy, why do you believe them?) say in the media. :shrug:
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I was only pointing out the coincidence of how al-Q says the same things that the democrat party says.

Our enemy has access to our media outlets---why write their lines for them? It is in the least inflammatory, and in the most disloyal and subversive.
 
yeah the bagdad dolts are certainly objective in this instance.....

pheeeeeuw.

anything is "evidence," eh?
 
Too bad for whoever sent them that most Iraqis and Iraqi lawmakers support the US leaving. They apparently don't support democracy.
 
Worried Congress' support for Iraq is deteriorating rapidly, Baghdad dispatched senior officials to Capitol Hill this week to warn members one-on-one that pulling out U.S. troops would have disastrous consequences.
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:rofl4: Disastrous compared to what?
 
chcr said:
:rofl4: Disastrous compared to what?
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It's their country---shouldn't they be the authority on what they think could happen to it??

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Cerise said:
It's their country---shouldn't they be the authority on what they think could happen to it??

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If you pay attention, each faction seems to have a differing opinion about that. It's already a disaster.
 
Could be worse:

If we left Iraq Iran would take over the country. They would be closer geographically to fullfill their wish of seeing Israel erased off the map.

They would launch on Israel, who would respond with WMDs of their own, nuking Baghdad and killing millions. Pakistan responds against Israel with their own nuclear ballistic missiles, killing millions. The United States counterstrike takes out Pakistan, killing millions.

Inside of a week after Americans withdraw, there will be nearly one billion people killed in the ME. Due to radiation levels it will not be safe to venture there for at least a thousand years and oil production as we know it will cease to exist in the middle east. The whole world, what little is left of it, descends into an energy crisis and a nuclear winter, killing millions more.

:shrug:

Or we could continue to drain the swamp and escort the rest into the 21st century.
 
Cerise said:
Could be worse:

If we left Iraq Iran would take over the country. They would be closer geographically to fullfill their wish of seeing Israel erased off the map.

They would launch on Israel, who would respond with WMDs of their own, nuking Baghdad and killing millions. Pakistan responds against Israel with their own nuclear ballistic missiles, killing millions. The United States counterstrike takes out Pakistan, killing millions.

Inside of a week after Americans withdraw, there will be nearly one billion people killed in the ME. Due to radiation levels it will not be safe to venture there for at least a thousand years and oil production as we know it will cease to exist in the middle east. The whole world, what little is left of it, descends into an energy crisis and a nuclear winter, killing millions more.
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the sky is falling!

chicken little, what should we do????

damn man you sound like some kinda fear-mongering pussy liberal.

maybe if we just appease them everything will be okay?
 
If we appeaase them, they'll take out shit & still attack us.

If we kill them, they'll eventually die & we can go about our business.
 
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