Finally found the article

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This is the article from the now hidden WHO study that shows that second-hand smoke is NOT dangerous as published by the NewsTelegraph.

Passive Smoking Doesn't Cause Cancer - Official
Victoria MacDonald, Health Correspondent
March 8, 1998


The world's leading health organisation has withheld from publication a study which shows that not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer but that it could even have a protective effect. The astounding results are set to throw wide open the debate on passive smoking health risks.

The World Health Organisation, which commissioned the 12-centre, seven-country European study has failed to make the findings public, and has instead produced only a summary of the results in an internal report. Despite repeated approaches, nobody at the WHO headquarters in Geneva would comment on the findings last week.

The findings are certain to be an embarrassment to the WHO, which has spent years and vast sums on anti-smoking and anti-tobacco campaigns. The study is one of the largest ever to look at the link between passive smoking - inhaling other people's smoke - and lung cancer, and had been eagerly awaited by medical experts and campaigning groups. Yet the scientists have found that there was no statistical evidence that passive smoking caused lung cancer.

The research compared 650 lung cancer patients with 1,542 healthy people. It looked at people who were married to smokers, worked with smokers, both worked and were married to smokers, and those who grew up with smokers. The results are consistent with there being no additional risk for a person living or working with a smoker and could be consistent with passive smoke having a protective effect against lung cancer.

The summary, seen by The Sunday Telegraph, also states: "There was no association between lung cancer risk and ETS exposure during childhood." A spokesman for Action on Smoking and Health said the findings "seem rather surprising given the evidence from other major reviews on the subject which have shown a clear association between passive smoking and a number of diseases."

Dr Chris Proctor, head of science for BAT Industries, the tobacco group, said the findings had to be taken seriously. "If this study cannot find any statistically valid risk you have to ask if there can be any risk at all. "It confirms what we and many other scientists have long believed, that while smoking in public may be annoying to some non-smokers, the science does not show that being around a smoker is a lung-cancer risk."


followed by this, published the other day

Second-hand Smoke Study Sparks Controversy
By Mike Wendling CNSNews.com London Bureau Chief
May 16, 2003

London (CNSNews.com) - A study about to be published in this week's British Medical Journal indicates that second-hand smoke doesn't increase the risk of heart disease or lung cancer, but the publication and the study's authors have come under attack by anti-smoking groups.

Two American researchers analyzed data from an American Cancer Society survey that followed more than 118,000 Californians from 1960 until 1998.

James E. Enstrom, of the University of California at Los Angeles and Geoffrey C. Kabat of the State University of New York at Stony Brook concluded that "the results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke (second-hand smoke) and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect."

"The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed," the researchers wrote.

The study was roundly condemned by anti-smoking groups including the American Cancer Society and even by the British Medical Journal's parent organization, the British Medical Association. They said the researchers received money from the tobacco industry, a statement that was confirmed by the journal Friday.

The American Cancer Society (ACS) pointed out what it called several flaws in the research. The researchers based their study on a small subset of the original data, the ACS said, and because of the greater prevalence of smokers in the 60s and 70s, "virtually everyone was exposed to environmental tobacco smoke."

Smoking opponents also pointed out in the original study, although the health of the subjects were monitored until 1998, no information on smoking habits was collected after 1972.

"We are appalled that the tobacco industry has succeeded in giving visibility to a study with so many problems," Michael J. Thun, ACS national vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research, said in a statement.

"The American Cancer Society welcomes thoughtful, independent peer review of our data. But this study is neither reliable nor independent," Thun said.

Other studies have indicated that inhaling second-hand smoke on a regular basis increases the risk of heart disease by about 30 percent. But as the researchers pointed out in their BMJ article, exposure to second-hand smoke is difficult to measure and such studies necessarily rely on self-reported data that may or may not be accurate.

Figures are skewed, researchers said, by former smokers who are wrongly classified.

"The relation between tobacco-related diseases and environmental tobacco smoke may be influenced by misclassification of some smokers as never smokers," the researchers wrote.

However, several British groups agreed with the ACS assessment of the study. The British Medical Association said that 1,000 people die every year in the U.K. as a result of passive smoking.

"There is overwhelming evidence, built up over decades, that passive smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease, as well as triggering asthma attacks," said Vivienne Nathanson, BMA's head of science and ethics. "In children, passive smoking increases the risk of pneumonia, bronchitis, and reduces lung growth, as well as both causing and worsening asthma."

A spokesman for Action on Smoking and Health said: "We are utterly surprised as to why the BMJ has published this. It's nothing but a lobbying tool."

"This is just one study," the spokesman said. "It will do nothing to change the massive body of evidence that has built up over the years."

The journal stood by its decision to publish research but editors turned down interview requests Friday. A spokeswoman said decisions on publication were made only after "careful consideration and peer review."

The study, which was available online and will be published in the BMJ on Saturday, was partially funded by money from the tobacco industry, the spokeswoman said, but could not provide further details.

Groups campaigning against further tobacco regulations in Britain welcomed the research. Smokers' lobby group FOREST said the "jury is still out" on the effects of second-hand smoke.

"This is typical of the anti-smoking lobby's bullying tactics," said FOREST director Simon Clark. "They attack not just the authors but the messenger ... the BMJ is one of the most respected journals in the world."

Attacks on the study in the U.K. have been led by proponents of a total ban on smoking in public places like pubs, clubs and restaurants, a position that Clark said was undermined by the study.

"People who want to ban smoking in public places use passive smoking as their number one argument," he said. "That's why this study is so significant."


I will admit it may be irritating but as said in the past, there is no link to disease.
 
as far as i'm concerned breathing in other peoples smoke is a problem - it exascerbates and increases my asthma. given that we have increasing asthma rates in children it would be one way of reducing potential triggers to attacks.
 
Had the WHO study not been hidden, that may make a difference. Since the new study backs what was previously known, released & retracted, it makes no difference.
 
ris said:
as far as i'm concerned breathing in other peoples smoke is a problem - it exascerbates and increases my asthma. given that we have increasing asthma rates in children it would be one way of reducing potential triggers to attacks.

Same here... smokey atmospheres cause me no end of grief.
 
Strange how this works...

1. It's none of the governments business as long as the activities and the objects are legal. The same argument could be made for banning beer. Your drunk driving kills more people a year than my smoking. We all remember how that ban went...

2. If you don't want to be in an environment that permits smoking, don't go to that area. It's not that difficult. I know idiots who have enough sense to avoid something they don't like...are you less intelligent?

3. If non-smokers want to have places to go that are smoke-free, then, by all means, start your own business, and make it your business policy not to allow smoking. Your place, your rules. Just don't bitch if the clubs/bars/restaurants that allow smoking do better business. Note the word if, before you make yourself a fool. ;)
 
Aren't smokers 'fools'
and bigger fools yet to pollute the air space of those
who'd rather breathe AIR?
 
Let's make this simple. You're putting burning leaf in your mouth. Spin it anyway you like, it's stupid, and it stinks. And if you're going to fill the air around me with smoke, I'm gonna fill it with water.
 
Professur said:
Let's make this simple. You're putting burning leaf in your mouth. Spin it anyway you like, it's stupid, and it stinks. And if you're going to fill the air around me with smoke, I'm gonna fill it with water.

Let me make this even simpler...I smoke. If I go to a place that allows smoking, and I light one up, you have no right to be offended. If I go to a place that does not allow smoking, and I light one up, I deserve to be beaten senseless. You get the picture? Let's switch now, just so you, and Winky can understand. You go to a place that allows smoking...you do not smoke. Who is being ignorant/foolish/ridiculous? You go to a place that does not allow smoking, so I don't light up. What's your problem?
 
Gato_Solo said:
you have no right to be offended.

Fuck you charlie. That somewhere permits you to foul the air so that they can empty your wallet doesn't void my right to breath clean air.
 
Professur said:
Fuck you charlie. That somewhere permits you to foul the air so that they can empty your wallet doesn't void my right to breath clean air.


Here's a news flash...If you don't like smoke, open your own club and make smoking forbidden, or go to one that doesn't allow smoking. Is that idea too hard for you to fathom? You are being ridiculous, not me, so fuck you, bubba. ;)
 
Gato_Solo said:
Here's a news flash...If you don't like smoke, open your own club and make smoking forbidden, or go to one that doesn't allow smoking. Is that idea too hard for you to fathom? You are being ridiculous, not me, so fuck you, bubba. ;)


And the moment I do it, some asshole smoker is gonna sue my ass for discrimination. Been done already. Do try to keep up.
 
Professur said:
And the moment I do it, some asshole smoker is gonna sue my ass for discrimination. Been done already. Do try to keep up.

So you would rather enter a club knowing that it allows smoking, placing yourself at "risk" than just go someplace else? Sounds to me like somebody is behaving in a manner that is counter-productive.

1. A private business should have the ability to establish which clientel it will cater to...smokers/non-smokers, drinkers/non-drinkers, etc, without government intervention.

2. Any person who enters a privately-owned business that permits activities that the person objects to has the right to refuse service to said person who finds such activities offensive, and show that person the door.

3. Any person who will not leave said premises should be faced with public ridicule for their stupidity. Note...this does not mean that the person should be physically harmed unless that person becomes physically uncontrollable.

Yes...you have the right to patronize a business you like, even if that business allows an activity you find offensive, but you do not have the right to dictate to that business your rules. If you don't like that activity, just leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay, and you can spend your money at a business that meets your criteria of innoffensiveness elsewhere. If you'd have done that in the first place, this argument would be moot. You made the choice to go to that first business, however, so your argument for a ban is based on selfishness or boorishness...pick which fits your ideas best. Non-smokers are a majority, so why is this even a problem? Get together, and make your own businesses/clubs/restaurants, and refuse to let people smoke. If they decide to sue, based upon their selfishness or boorishness, then you can countersue on the same principal.
 
Gato_Solo said:
2. If you don't want to be in an environment that permits smoking, don't go to that area. It's not that difficult. I know idiots who have enough sense to avoid something they don't like...are you less intelligent?

Off the top of my head,

Cons of smoking.

1) You fucking stink. And yes, you do.
2) That nice smokers cough.
3) Nice sexy yellow teeth and fingernails.
4) Beautiful burn holes in furniture and car seats.
5) Danger of falling asleep smoking.
6) Build up of tar on windows and such
7) You get the joy of bothering people around you who do not smoke.
8) Less attractive to the opposite gender.
9) Dulled sense of smell and taste.
10) Bronchitis, asthma, and impaired breathing all directly related to smoking.
11) Want to try to out run me?
12) Increased risk of cancer in the larynx, mouth, esophagus, lungs.
13) Contributing factor in the development of cancers in the bladder, pancreas, and kidneys.
14) Increased risk of coronary heart disease.
15) On average, lighter than babies born to smokers than non-smokers.
16) Increased risk of spontaneous abortion.
17) Increased risk to YOUR children, and people around you.
18) PRICE !

Alright I am getting bored.


Pros:

1) You looked cool when you were 12.


Are you less intelligent?
 
K62 said:
Off the top of my head,

Are you less intelligent?


Aside from the moronic attack upon my intelligence, your whole list, while it may be true, is just so much bullshit. If you don't like smoking, then don't go to a place that allows that activity. Isn't that the wisest thing you can do? Perhaps you folks are forced, at gunpoint, into smokey clubs. :shrug: Or, what seems to be the case here, are too stupid to find a place that is smoke-free. ;)
 
Native American Tribe to Launch Own Tobacco Brand

Fri Apr 1,11:08 AM ET Reuters


By Reed Stevenson

SEATTLE A Native American tribe in Washington state is preparing to make and sell its own brand of cigarettes at a fraction of the cost of mainstream brands in an effort to diversify its income for tribal members.

The Squaxin tribe, located on a small patch of land 50 miles southwest of Seattle, will begin selling its "Complete" brand of cigarettes made by its Skookum Creek Tobacco company for $16 for a carton of 10 packs.

That's about the price of two packs of premium-brand cigarettes in New York City, and well below the $35 to $70 per carton normally charged in the United States. Premium brand and generic cigarettes can be bought on other Indian reservations for as low as $22 per carton.

The tribe's cigarettes can be sold cheaply because the tribe is not subject to most taxes paid by tobacco companies, said Kelly Corman, the tribe's legal counsel and spokeswoman.

The only tax that will apply is a state tax, although even those proceeds will be used by the tribe instead of going to Washington state.

The Squaxin are one of the few tribes to have won regulatory approval to make its own cigarettes, something the 850-member tribe has been working on since 1999.

Oklahoma's Senaca-Cayuga tribe has been selling its "Skydancer" cigarettes since 2000. Another tribe in Nebraska was making cigarettes until 2002, when it closed operations over a dispute over monies to be paid into the landmark 1998 tobacco industry settlement.

"This is an opportunity for the tribe to capture revenue for essential government services," said Corman.

Indian casinos have grown rapidly across the United States over the last few decades as Native American tribes used their sovereign status to earn income and pull their members out of poverty.

Recognizing the risks of becoming too dependent on a single industry, many tribes are now trying to diversify. The Squaxin also operate a hotel, a gas station and a seafood company.

"We believe in diversifying Indian business into something that's going to be standing years after the casinos are gone," said Pete Homer, president of the Washington-based National Indian Business Association.

Washington state approved the tribe's tobacco business and agreed to the tax arrangement after the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms issued a permit to produce cigarettes.

The cigarettes will be made in a brand-new 25,000 square-foot (2,250 square-meter) factory with tobacco leaves harvested from the southwestern United States. The factory, located just a few steps away from the tribe's local casino, will employ about 20 people, Corman said.
 
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