Follow up to Auny Em

Gonz

Gonz

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(too controversial for the Entertainmetn section)


Nothing and I mean NOTHING justifies murdering innocent men, women & children to further a political cause. Why don't the Palestinians go bomb Jewish military sites? That is somewhat acceptable. alqieda could have blown up more Navy vessels & embassies to make a point. It would have been horrific but that is one of the pitfalls of working in that line of government. The minute they target civilians is the day they sign their own death warrant. The Soviet Union was a vast empire built on the blood of civilians & using fear as a motivator. The USSR is no more. Chechnyas fight for independence is admirable (though I'm not sure of all the ramifications, pro or con) but the minute they go after non-military or non-government targets, they become terrorists. There is no place for that in a civilized world.
 
Yet the russians who are not in their own county and have committed mass rapes against the chechnyan populace, amongst other things, aren't considered terrorists. What an interesting world we live in were government duality is accepted without question.
 
War crimes are under the jurisdiction of the World Court. There is a difference between crimes of war & terrorism. Terrorism is the planned & pursued act of violence against a civilian populace. War crimes are attrocities committed while at war. The Russian military is no less responsible than the terrorists. They do have authority to act, to charge & to stop the attrocites.
 
So have they charged anyone? Are they likely to? If not, is the World Court likely to become involved? And even if they do and convict, do you honestly think the Russians would take any notice?

I know exactly what you're saying but I don't just focus on the end result, I look at the reasons behind it and find myself to a certain extent in empathy with the terrorsts because I feel in similar circumstances I could be driven to behave in the same way. The difference being - I would have chosen a military or government target. And that is a frightening thought. I feel something needs to be done to prevent people getting to that point yet everyone is focusing on the result and not the cause.
 
Gonz said:
Nothing and I mean NOTHING justifies murdering innocent men, women & children to further a political cause.
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Agree with you here. Its just sick people that would go after women and children. Men I might be able to stomach, but certainly not innocent ones.

Why don't the Palestinians go bomb Jewish military sites? That is somewhat acceptable. alqieda could have blown up more Navy vessels & embassies to make a point. It would have been horrific but that is one of the pitfalls of working in that line of government.
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While I don't like suicide bombings, I think it would be a lot more acceptable if they carried it against military targets. Thats what the military is there for. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to "freedom fighters" / "terrorists" if they attack only military targets.

The minute they target civilians is the day they sign their own death warrant. The Soviet Union was a vast empire built on the blood of civilians & using fear as a motivator. The USSR is no more. Chechnyas fight for independence is admirable (though I'm not sure of all the ramifications, pro or con) but the minute they go after non-military or non-government targets, they become terrorists. There is no place for that in a civilized world.
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Completely agree here. ;)
 
LastLegionary said:
[While I don't like suicide bombings, I think it would be a lot more acceptable if they carried it against military targets. Thats what the military is there for. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to "freedom fighters" / "terrorists" if they attack only military targets.
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There should NEVER be an excuse to launch suicide bombings. They should NEVER be accepted. There will also never be ANY sympathy towards terrorists planning the suicide bombings. Not against civilian targets NOR at military targets.

Suicide bombings are the lowest form of warfare thinkable.
Last thing: the military is in NO POSSIBLE WAY there to get suicide bombed.
I assume that's not what you meant....
 
Shadow, since I started it, I'll explain some of the reasoning. NO, under absolutely no conditions is the military a suitable target for homicide bombers. However, thay are well armed & defended, guarded & ready to go to war. If someone isn't doing their job or the civilian authorities have weakened/scared the military to a point that they aren't able to defend themselves, then it's a shame. The bombing of the USS Cole was an example. Where was the duty guard? Why weren't the deck guns ready? The small craft with explosives should have never gotten within 100ft of that ship. Who screwed up? The militsry or the authoritites? Either way, it's "better" to attack like that, at an armed opponent, than to fly 3 civilian airliners into a office buiding.
 
No what I meant is the military is there to BE attacked, in whatever form, be it with rocks, missiles, nukes, or suicide bombings. I hate suicide bombings too, but it would be preferable if they carried it out against military targets if they really need to. They still loose my respect though... I don't advocate it in any way.
 
I look at the reasons behind it and find myself to a certain extent in empathy with the terrorsts because I feel in similar circumstances I could be driven to behave in the same way.
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Sorry, no empathy from me whatsoever.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
I look at the reasons behind it and find myself to a certain extent in empathy with the terrorsts because I feel in similar circumstances I could be driven to behave in the same way.
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Sorry, no empathy from me whatsoever.
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Neither from me. Nothing could force me to blow myself up among women and children. Its below my human dignity to do something like that.
 
LastLegionary said:
HeXp£Øi± said:
Sorry, no empathy from me whatsoever.
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Neither from me. Nothing could force me to blow myself up among women and children. Its below my human dignity to do something like that.
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Well - As that's not likely to be put to the test in the very near future we shall never know, but desperation, religion and fanaticism in combination can really fuck up your head.
 
Aunty Em said:
Well - As that's not likely to be put to the test in the very near future we shall never know, but desperation, religion and fanaticism in combination can really fuck up your head.
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The desperation I can sympathize with, the religion and fanaticism, no. :eh:
 
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