Forced Contraception for Drug Abusers

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Heroin-addicted women should be pressured to take contraception with their treatment, according to a senior back-bench Labour MSP who argued yesterday they were not fit to be parents.
Duncan McNeil, the member for Greenock and Inverclyde and convener of his party's parliamentary group, provoked strong criticism when he suggested the radical measure of putting contraception in methadone to tackle the problem of around 50,000 Scottish children who live with drug-abusing adults.
John Scott, a leading human rights lawyer, said the idea had "hints of the agenda in Nazi Germany, with people getting sterilised".
Neil McKeganey, a drugs expert at Glasgow University, said it was necessary to limit the rights of drug abusers to have children because of the harm their children face. Last year, he courted controversy by suggesting that drug-abusing women could be paid to be on contraception.
Mr McNeil floated his methadone idea during a Holyrood debate about children at risk from drug abusers. He asked MSPs: "Why are we in a situation where so many of those who are addicted to drugs are having children?"
He spoke of the dangers of HIV and Aids and went on: "There are dangers to the mother and child from a difficult pregnancy. As a first step, we need to explore putting some form of oral contraception in methadone, or using other methods. That way, we could reduce this problem and prevent some of those children coming to harm."
Afterwards, he backed away from making this compulsory, saying the mixed contraceptive and methadone could be "strongly advised".
"Can we say as a society that it's right for us to try to intervene and say it's not a good idea when you're living a chaotic lifestyle and on drugs to get pregnant because it could kill you, you could pass on HIV/Aids to your child, you are not fit to have a baby?"
Susan Deacon, the former Labour health minister, had suggested earlier in the debate that addicted women should be offered the "informed choice" of long-term contraceptive injections, costing £90 each.
An executive spokesman said Mr McNeil's idea was "not something we're likely to consider", while the opposition was scathing about it.
Fiona Hyslop, SNP children's spokesman, said the idea was extreme, wrong and unworkable. "We need a serious, mature and rational debate about this issue, and these remarks are none of these things."
Jeremy Purvis, for the Liberal Democrats, said the idea was bizarre, impractical and probably illegal, while Tommy Sheridan, of the Scottish Socialists, said it was "stupid, pathetic and ignorant of the real problems that exist in drug abuse".
Annabel Goldie, Scottish Tory leader, said: "Anyone coming forward for assistance with their drug addiction needs positive help, not barriers put in their way. Contraceptive advice should be offered, available and indeed encouraged, but it cannot be made compulsory."
Dr McKeganey, director of the centre for drug misuse research at Glasgow, said the case for contraception to reduce unwanted pregnancies was "the great unspoken" in the drugs debate. However, it was "a nettle that has to be grasped."
Heroin-addicted women should be pressured to take contraception with their treatment, according to a senior back-bench Labour MSP who argued yesterday they were not fit to be parents.
Duncan McNeil, the member for Greenock and Inverclyde and convener of his party's parliamentary group, provoked strong criticism when he suggested the radical measure of putting contraception in methadone to tackle the problem of around 50,000 Scottish children who live with drug-abusing adults.
John Scott, a leading human rights lawyer, said the idea had "hints of the agenda in Nazi Germany, with people getting sterilised".
Neil McKeganey, a drugs expert at Glasgow University, said it was necessary to limit the rights of drug abusers to have children because of the harm their children face. Last year, he courted controversy by suggesting that drug-abusing women could be paid to be on contraception.
Mr McNeil floated his methadone idea during a Holyrood debate about children at risk from drug abusers. He asked MSPs: "Why are we in a situation where so many of those who are addicted to drugs are having children?"
He spoke of the dangers of HIV and Aids and went on: "There are dangers to the mother and child from a difficult pregnancy. As a first step, we need to explore putting some form of oral contraception in methadone, or using other methods. That way, we could reduce this problem and prevent some of those children coming to harm."
Afterwards, he backed away from making this compulsory, saying the mixed contraceptive and methadone could be "strongly advised".
"Can we say as a society that it's right for us to try to intervene and say it's not a good idea when you're living a chaotic lifestyle and on drugs to get pregnant because it could kill you, you could pass on HIV/Aids to your child, you are not fit to have a baby?"
Susan Deacon, the former Labour health minister, had suggested earlier in the debate that addicted women should be offered the "informed choice" of long-term contraceptive injections, costing £90 each.
An executive spokesman said Mr McNeil's idea was "not something we're likely to consider", while the opposition was scathing about it.
Fiona Hyslop, SNP children's spokesman, said the idea was extreme, wrong and unworkable. "We need a serious, mature and rational debate about this issue, and these remarks are none of these things."
Jeremy Purvis, for the Liberal Democrats, said the idea was bizarre, impractical and probably illegal, while Tommy Sheridan, of the Scottish Socialists, said it was "stupid, pathetic and ignorant of the real problems that exist in drug abuse".
Annabel Goldie, Scottish Tory leader, said: "Anyone coming forward for assistance with their drug addiction needs positive help, not barriers put in their way. Contraceptive advice should be offered, available and indeed encouraged, but it cannot be made compulsory."
Dr McKeganey, director of the centre for drug misuse research at Glasgow, said the case for contraception to reduce unwanted pregnancies was "the great unspoken" in the drugs debate. However, it was "a nettle that has to be grasped."
Heroin-addicted women should be pressured to take contraception with their treatment, according to a senior back-bench Labour MSP who argued yesterday they were not fit to be parents.
Duncan McNeil, the member for Greenock and Inverclyde and convener of his party's parliamentary group, provoked strong criticism when he suggested the radical measure of putting contraception in methadone to tackle the problem of around 50,000 Scottish children who live with drug-abusing adults.
John Scott, a leading human rights lawyer, said the idea had "hints of the agenda in Nazi Germany, with people getting sterilised".
Neil McKeganey, a drugs expert at Glasgow University, said it was necessary to limit the rights of drug abusers to have children because of the harm their children face. Last year, he courted controversy by suggesting that drug-abusing women could be paid to be on contraception.
Mr McNeil floated his methadone idea during a Holyrood debate about children at risk from drug abusers. He asked MSPs: "Why are we in a situation where so many of those who are addicted to drugs are having children?"
He spoke of the dangers of HIV and Aids and went on: "There are dangers to the mother and child from a difficult pregnancy. As a first step, we need to explore putting some form of oral contraception in methadone, or using other methods. That way, we could reduce this problem and prevent some of those children coming to harm."
Afterwards, he backed away from making this compulsory, saying the mixed contraceptive and methadone could be "strongly advised".

wow I think I agree and it makes me feel dirty
 
After having been married into and divorced out of a family with a high percentage of born-addicted kids in it, I can wholeheartedly put my full support behind adding contraceptives to methadone. Last thing we need is more crack babies.
 
The ones in the example I mentioned were actually born addicted to meth, if I remember right. It's all in the same group, really... any baby born addicted is going to be all sorts of fucked-up.
 
That roams too far into Big Government for my tastes. If y'all ain't noticed, I don't much care for government meddling in my life, regardless of my employment status.

No easy solution. Drug addicted mothers are a public health threat that drain millions of tax dollars from the coffers and add millions more to the cost of health care for the rest of us. Maybe we should just exile them to Maine.
 
sterilize them
Hitler was right heh heh

Aw jeez C'Mon

Druggies should all be killed and bulldozed
into mass graves, what would Jesus do?
 
Were it consentual and given under a doctor's immediate supervision, I'd be for providing it in/with their methadone.

You can't just randomly give it to people. It's not sugar pills.
 
the idea had "hints of the agenda in Nazi Germany, with people getting sterilised".
the idea was extreme, wrong and unworkable. "We need a serious, mature and rational debate about this issue, and these remarks are none of these things."

when these people agree to take in all the abused and unwanted children of drug addicts, i'll take their comments seriously.

Anyone coming forward for assistance with their drug addiction needs positive help, not barriers put in their way.

from what i've seen of drug addicts, the idea of contraception IS positive help. how the hell is someone going to stay clean if they have a baby to care for? these people have a hard enough time staying straight with normal everyday pressures. i've seen many that have gone back to using because of something minor like not liking their job.they have little to no support system.
once they have shown they can handle rearing a child properly, then they can get off the contraception. until then they can remain childless.
 
Leslie said:
Were it consentual and given under a doctor's immediate supervision, I'd be for providing it in/with their methadone.

You can't just randomly give it to people. It's not sugar pills.
I have to wonder how many of them sought medical consultation before taking the Meth?
 
Dave said:
how the hell is someone going to stay clean if they have a baby to care for? these people have a hard enough time staying straight with normal everyday pressures. i've seen many that have gone back to using because of something minor like not liking their job.they have little to no support system.

It's called a choice.

No one put a gun to their heads and forced heroin into their veins. They did it willingly.

Life is harsh sometimes. Sometimes our choices linger for a long time, and manifest in ways we didn't think of. Sticking a needle in your arm is a choice. Its consequences linger.

Put another way...if I make a terrible financial decision and go out and charge $300,000 on credit cards that I can't pay, should I expect fourteen government agencies to line up and pay it off for me? Should I expect my monthly bills to be forgiven because I have a problem?

It's all about choices. I choose not to use dope. Therefore, I don't have to worry as much about having babies with three legs, or one lung, or what have you. It's a fringe benefit of living without drugs. I choose not to cook meth, so the chances of my kitchen exploding are minimal. Other folks make other choices. Unfortunate as they may be, those choices have consequences. True, they get to be high for a few hours. When that's over with, they get to deal with the other effects of thoise choices. Call it natural selection if you like.

Take the babies away from the addicts, throw the addicts into exile somewhere, and let them experience the full gamut of their choice of lifestyle. When word gets around enough, we'll see less drug use, hence fewer drug babies, and a reduction in fraudulent medical claims resulting in cheaper health care for all. Don't want to be one of the exiles? Stay off dope. Not too difficult. I manage it every day.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
It's called a choice.

No one put a gun to their heads and forced heroin into their veins. They did it willingly.

Most of them would rather die than admit that.
 
I am on SnPs side regarding the government interference thing. Wait until the baby is born & prove the mother unfit & bar her from ever having contact with said child. Did I say ever? I meant ever...as in no stupid leftist judge can give the baby back to her, ever.
 
Gonz said:
I am on SnPs side regarding the government interference thing. Wait until the baby is born & prove the mother unfit & bar her from ever having contact with said child. Did I say ever? I meant ever...as in no stupid leftist judge can give the baby back to her, ever.


Brilliant. Yet another Gov't trained stooge with no family upbringing, living on the dole. I thought you were smarter than that, Gonz.
 
Oh, yeah. People will be lining up around the fucking corner to adopt babies with the plethora of neurological dysfunctions these kid'll have. Not to mention the absolute pleasure of having a kid who'll probably have his crackhead parents (well supported by the left) hunting for him for the rest of their lives.

You really nailed that. Looks like being a teamster agrees with you. You're getting worse almost daily.
 
Dave said:
once they have shown they can handle rearing a child properly, then they can get off the contraception. until then they can remain childless.
Good idea...but I'd extend it far past Meth and other drug users and into Mr. and Mrs. Everybody.:hmm:
 
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