Germans need a Bush

Gonz

Gonz

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They can't get past socialism 101.

Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- German unemployment jumped to the highest since World War II as new rules added welfare recipients to the jobless register, clouding the outlook for Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in elections this month.

The number of people out of work in January rose by 227,000 to 4.71 million in seasonally adjusted terms, including 230,000 new jobless claimants, the Nuremberg-based Federal Labor Agency said today. The adjusted unemployment rate rose to 11.4 percent, a seven-year high, while the unadjusted jobless total passed 5 million for the first time since the war.
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Don't belittle my insightful observation. Bring forth a better reason to have 11.4% unemployment when there is no incentive to work.
 
after typing a terribly long reply, I have to redefine my statement:

a large part of the problem is indeed a result of bad governing. the government has been struggling for years, but hasn't been able to solve the problems thus far.
bad investments have been done, social security is hunting the german economy, and the modernization of the east-german economy has a huge impact on the national economy.
this last point isn't a result of any socialistic government. at least not at present.

you ask me to come up with better reasons to have 11.4% unemployment and no prospects of any improvement.

for a large part, this is due to the competition advantages of other countries. why? germany has been a country which has had a huge industry of iron, cement, machinery, electronics etc.
a trend that can be seen in entire europe is that a lot of labour-intensive production is moving to low-wages countries. so companies are moving out of countries like germany, something that is also happening in the netherlands.
result is less innovation, which makes things even worse on long term prospects.

now, another point is the low value of the dollar, compared to the euro. export has dropped significantly throughout EU countries, because goods made in EU countries are damned expensive compared to products based on the dollar.
bye bye competition advantage.

the dutch economy has been quite strong the past decades, but has suffered a huge dip the last few years. mainly because the economy was strong, it was able to recover.
germany already had a weak economy for many years. adding the latest problems to it, the high unemployment rate isn't exactly surprising.

result solely of socialism? partially, yes.
result of not being able to get past socialism? too easy to just state that in my opinion; things just aren't that simple.
 
Wowsers that Faxy Dude makes some good points.
I had to click and check his location to get my bearings
on why'd he'd make such a reasoned response.

Heck check the CIA-worldbook entry for Germany. 82.4 million people crammed into an area slightly smaller than Montana with a labor force of 42 million generating a $2.271 trillion GDP giving it's citizen a purchasing power parity of $27,600 (2003 est.).

To take such a complex issue and make it simple may not be the proper approach but Faxy's comment "result solely of socialism? partially, yes. paired with the lingering burden on re-unification I'd say they are kickin' ass and taking names.

If Goznog's recent post about welfare mutha's being 'forced' into the Sex industry is any indication
they are hopefully taking steps away from socialism and will continue to be a place where immigrants of colour from the middle-east will flood into finally drowning their society.

So Faxy do the immigrants flooding into your countries learn your language acclimate to your customs and rapidly begin to assimilate with your western euro peon society?

Who wants to fricken bet on the percentages of non-germans that make up those unemployed figgers?
 
Gonz said:
Don't belittle my insightful observation. Bring forth a better reason to have 11.4% unemployment when there is no incentive to work.
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well, Gonz? any interest in changing idea's?
 
Looks as though maybe the French need a Bush...

PARIS, Feb 5 (Reuters) - French President Jacques Chirac's conservative government faced a major challenge to its economic policies on Saturday as tens of thousands of public and private sector workers protested over labour laws, pensions and schools.

With more than 50,000 taking to the streets in provincial cities, organisers said they hoped for a national turnout of at least 300,000 nationwide to ram home their message.

"The government would do well not only to hear but to listen to the workers," said the secretary-general of the CGT union, Bernard Thibault, at the start of the rally in Paris.

The protests come as parliament debates a government plan to allow staff in the private sector to increase overtime and work up to 48 hours a week, the maximum allowed under EU law. But managers must first agree the changes with unions.
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Who the hell is the government to tell the employer how long a worker may work? The EU limits max time allowed to 48 hours? No wonder so little is getting done.

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Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin says rules must be relaxed to help cut stubbornly high unemployment, currently close to 10 percent, and make the world's fifth largest economy more competitive.
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Ugh oh, there's that double digit thing again.

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Four of France's five major unions called Saturday's protests against reforms they say would sound the death knell of the 35-hour week and result in longer hours without extra pay.

"Chirac, Raffarin, are you sleeping? Your workers are in the street," chanted demonstrators in Toulouse in southwest France.

The 35-hour week was introduced in 1998 by the previous Socialist administration in an effort to reduce joblessness. The party has called on Raffarin to abandon his reform and re-open negotiations with the unions.
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Oh shit, they even admit it.

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"This reform will have very unfortunate consequences on the labour market as, at a time when we have three million unemployed, overtime will be increased which will deprive even more people of jobs," said Socialist party leader Francois Hollande at a demonstration in the western city of Rennes.

Buoyed by the success of Jan. 20 rallies that drew support from 210,000 state workers -- the public sector employs about a quarter of the French workforce -- unions say their campaign is gaining momentum.

Raffarin is wary of large public protests after voters punished his government for unpopular economic cutbacks in regional and European Parliament elections last year.

He has played down any parallels with street protests that are widely seen as causing the downfall of the last conservative government in 1997.

Although no elections are due before 2007, the cash-strapped government is concerned French voters could express their anger over reforms when they vote in a referendum on the European Union constitution before the summer.

Both Raffarin and Chirac have urged voters to approve the treaty on its merits and not allow themselves to be sidetracked by domestic political issues.

A recent poll showed some 77 percent of workers surveyed wanted to keep their working week at the current level. Only 18 percent wanted to work longer hours.
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:rofl4:
 
Gonz said:
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since you were under the impression that i belittled your superior argument, you asked for a better reason. i gave my opinion, on why just "not being able to get past socialism 101" was a bit easy to say.

i was actually hoping for a reply. :shrug:
 
You said socialism using more words than I. Competition (advantages made it redundant) wsa heading down the right path. Unfortunately, socialism disallows a competitive edge (lowering costs) or an economic advantage (increasing productivity).
 
Gonz said:
Looks as though maybe the French need a Bush...
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The women there have bushes already, trust me. If they won't even shave their armpits, what's to make me think they'd shave elsewhere?
 
BoP firmly believes that criminal records shouldn't stop a person from being able to vote
 
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