God help our children

[Leslie]

it's a dickhead-ette...I can't get my mind around it.

it's in the court system, she's pleading not guilty and blahblah. She lied to the police originally so it won't get her very far I imagine.

 

[brownjenkins]

yep, that is why they have to stick to the normal time outs. it all has to be equal. Daycare providers should be trained in how to handle children, and hell a 2 hour time out a kid will remember

here in massachusetts there are all sorts of requirements to become a daycare provider... and also random visits and observation

the problem is that many parents are unwilling to pay the $$$ for a 'registered' daycare provider, so they find one who does it cheaper without the training and certification

 

[Professur]

here in massachusetts there are all sorts of requirements to become a daycare provider... and also random visits and observation

the problem is that many parents are unwilling to pay the $$$ for a 'registered' daycare provider, so they find one who does it cheaper without the training and certification

Here we've got gov't sponsored $5/day daycare. A gov't perversion in disguise

 

[tonksy]

i shell out $290 a week for 2 toddlers to be in a safe state supervised daycare. it's a good school that i feel comfortable with but the price of such comfort is excruciating....and actually it's $328 a week for them both but someone is helping me with the rest (i was paying $290 for a 3 day program and when we decided to up it to a 5 day program rob picked up the rest.)

 

[Gato_Solo]

The super here where I live...her granddaughter at 16months was dipped to halfway up her legs in boiling water by her daycare "provider". The poor baby was in Sick Kids for a month...she's still not doing well at all. Horrific

Now that is abuse. As for the teacher in the original post...once again I ask...What was the child doing to warrant punishment? If the child was doing nothing, then you'd have a chance at calling getting tabasco/soap/lemon juice abuse. I still don't see it. Is this just another case of changing a definition to suit an emotional response, or a case of worsening a situation in order to collect monetary damages? Bottom line is that the children weren't given anything but a bad taste in their mouths. I still don't see it as a big deal when true cases of abuse are out there...

 

[tonksy]

Now that is abuse. As for the teacher in the original post...once again I ask...What was the child doing to warrant punishment? If the child was doing nothing, then you'd have a chance at calling getting tabasco/soap/lemon juice abuse. I still don't see it. Is this just another case of changing a definition to suit an emotional response, or a case of worsening a situation in order to collect monetary damages? Bottom line is that the children weren't given anything but a bad taste in their mouths. I still don't see it as a big deal when true cases of abuse are out there...

i suppose it could be considered emotional abuse if there was no reason for it- if it wasn't use in the form of punishment.

 

[Gato_Solo]

i suppose it could be considered emotional abuse if there was no reason for it- if it wasn't use in the form of punishment.

Still using that word abuse...that's the wrong word in this case...trust me.

 

[freako104]

you would still only call it punishment?

 

[PT]

i suppose it could be considered emotional abuse if there was no reason for it- if it wasn't use in the form of punishment.

Still using that word abuse...that's the wrong word in this case...trust me.

I don't think so, not in that context. Would you not consider spanking a child just for the hell of it abuse? Hopefully this was at least a punishment. If it was to get her jollys off seeing these children pucker, burn or cry, it's abuse. Now, if it was for a reason, which honestly I can't imagine it anything but, it wasn't abuse in my opinion either. It was perhaps an inappropriate punishment, but not abuse.

 

[Gato_Solo]

you would still only call it punishment?

Is there any lasting physical damage? Is there any lasting emotional damage? If both questions are yes, then it's abuse. If both questions are no, then there was no abuse.

a·buse ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-byz)
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.

Here ya go...

Choose your words more carefully.

pun·ish·ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pnsh-mnt)
1.

a. The act or an instance of punishing.
b. The condition of being punished.

2. A penalty imposed for wrongdoing: “The severity of the punishment must... be in keeping with the kind of obligation which has been violated” (Simone Weil).

3. Rough handling; mistreatment: These old skis have taken a lot of punishment over the years.

Same source...

dis·ci·pline ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ds-pln)

1. Training expected to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior, especially training that produces moral or mental improvement.

2. Controlled behavior resulting from disciplinary training; self-control.

3.

a. Control obtained by enforcing compliance or order.
b. A systematic method to obtain obedience: a military discipline.
c. A state of order based on submission to rules and authority: a teacher who demanded discipline in the classroom.

4. Punishment intended to correct or train.

5. A set of rules or methods, as those regulating the practice of a church or monastic order

6. A branch of knowledge or teaching.

Do you understand a bit better now? Without knowing all of the circumstances surrounding her use of tabasco, soap, or lemon juice, we have no way of knowing why she resorted to such methods. While it's easy to state her discipline as harsh, or abusive, how would you feel if she had no control over her class? Then she's ineffective, and has no business teaching. If she used such methods on my children, yes, I'd be upset, but if she had good reason to adopt such methods (cursing, fighting, unruliness), then how can I, as a parent, condemn her actions if I would've done the same in her position? Some of you even stated that the parents should decide the punishment. How noble. Which of you could leave your job, go down to the school, and discipline your child for their behavior without risking your employment? Remember...without your job, you couldn't support your family...Which of you, with children, would stop with the tabasco/soap/lemon juice (just wait til I get you home)? Time-out doesn't always work, and it doesn't always produce results...
Be honest about it.