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Reasons for the fall of the Roman Empire
(All left Rome open to outside invaders)


There were many reasons for the fall of the Roman Empire. Each one intertwined with the next.

Decline in Morals and Values

Those morals and values that kept together the Roman legions and thus the empire could not be maintained towards the end of the empire. Crimes of violence made the streets of the larger cities unsafe. Even during PaxRomana there were 32,000 prostitutes in Rome. Emperors like Nero and Caligula became infamous for wasting money on lavish parties where guests ate and drank until they became ill. The most popular amusement was watching the gladiatorial combats in the Colosseum. These were attended by the poor, the rich, and frequently the emperor himself. As gladiators fought, vicious cries and curses were heard from the audience. One contest after another was staged in the course of a single day. Should the ground become too soaked with blood, it was covered over with a fresh layer of sand and the performance went on.

Public Health

There were many public health and environmental problems. Many of the wealthy had water brought to their homes through lead pipes. Previously the aqueducts had even purified the water but at the end lead pipes were thought to be preferable. The wealthy death rate was very high. The continuous interaction of people at the Colosseum, the blood and death probable spread disease. Those who lived on the streets in continuous contact allowed for an uninterrupted strain of disease much like the homeless in the poorer run shelters of today. Alcohol use increased as well adding to the incompetency of the general public.

Political Corruption

One of the most difficult problems was choosing a new emperor. Unlike Greece where transition may not have been smooth but was at least consistent, the Romans never created an effective system to determine how new emperors would be selected. The choice was always open to debate between the old emperor, the Senate, the Praetorian Guard (the emperor's's private army), and the army. Gradually, the Praetorian Guard gained complete authority to choose the new emperor, who rewarded the guard who then became more influential, perpetuating the cycle. Then in 186 A. D. the army strangled the new emperor, the practice began of selling the throne to the highest bidder. During the next 100 years, Rome had 37 different emperors - 25 of whom were removed from office by assassination. This contributed to the overall weaknesses of the empire.

Unemployment

During the latter years of the empire farming was done on large estates called latifundia that were owned by wealthy men who used slave labor. A farmer who had to pay workmen could not produce goods as cheaply. Many farmers could not compete with these low prices and lost or sold their farms. This not only undermined the citizen farmer who passed his values to his family, but also filled the cities with unemployed people. At one time, the emperor was importing grain to feed more than 100,000 people in Rome alone. These people were not only a burden but also had little to do but cause trouble and contribute to an ever increasing crime rate.

Inflation

The roman economy suffered from inflation (an increase in prices) beginning after the reign of Marcus Aurelius. Once the Romans stopped conquering new lands, the flow of gold into the Roman economy decreased. Yet much gold was being spent by the romans to pay for luxury items. This meant that there was less gold to use in coins. As the amount of gold used in coins decreased, the coins became less valuable. To make up for this loss in value, merchants raised the prices on the goods they sold. Many people stopped using coins and began to barter to get what they needed. Eventually, salaries had to be paid in food and clothing, and taxes were collected in fruits and vegetables.

Urban decay

Wealthy Romans lived in a domus, or house, with marble walls, floors with intricate colored tiles, and windows made of small panes of glass. Most Romans, however, were not rich, They lived in small smelly rooms in apartment houses with six or more stories called islands. Each island covered an entire block. At one time there were 44,000 apartment houses within the city walls of Rome. First-floor apartments were not occupied by the poor since these living quarters rented for about $00 a year. The more shaky wooden stairs a family had to climb, the cheaper the rent became. The upper apartments that the poor rented for $40 a year were hot, dirty, crowed, and dangerous. Anyone who could not pay the rent was forced to move out and live on the crime-infested streets. Because of this cities began to decay.

Inferior Technology

During the last 400 years of the empire, the scientific achievements of the Romans were limited almost entirely to engineering and the organization of public services. They built marvelous roads, bridges, and aqueducts. They established the first system of medicine for the benefit of the poor. But since the Romans relied so much on human and animal labor, they failed to invent many new machines or find new technology to produce goods more efficiently. They could not provide enough goods for their growing population. They were no longer conquering other civilizations and adapting their technology, they were actually losing territory they could not longer maintain with their legions.

Military Spending


Maintaining an army to defend the border of the Empire from barbarian attacks was a constant drain on the government. Military spending left few resources for other vital activities, such as providing public housing and maintaining quality roads and aqueducts. Frustrated Romans lost their desire to defend the Empire. The empire had to begin hiring soldiers recruited from the unemployed city mobs or worse from foreign counties. Such an army was not only unreliable, but very expensive. The emperors were forced to raise taxes frequently which in turn led again to increased inflation.

THE FINAL BLOWS

For years, the well-disciplined Roman army held the barbarians of Germany back. Then in the third century A. D. the Roman soldiers were pulled back from the Rhine-Danube frontier to fight civil war in Italy. This left the Roman border open to attack. Gradually Germanic hunters and herders from the north began to overtake Roman lands in Greece and Gaul (later France). Then in 476 A. D. the Germanic general Odacer or Odovacar overthrew the last of the Roman Emperors, Augustulus Romulus. From then on the western part of the Empire was ruled by Germanic chieftain. Roads and bridges were left in disrepair and fields left untilled. Pirates and bandits made travel unsafe. Cities could not be maintained without goods from the farms, trade and business began to disappear. And Rome was no more in the West.


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She's good at bringing this stuff up, but she never provides a solution. It's easy to find a problem...why not try fixing it?
 
I also watched her look back into this thread and pretty much give my request the cold shoulder.

TG, Its in the rules. Outside materials are mostly copywriten and need proper linkage back to the source. I'm not trying to be snotty to you. Thats just how it is on most boards.
 
How about restarting the draft? That'll take care of two things at once...unemployment and defense. Make those mealy-mouthed liberals serve right alongside those self-righteous conservatives...No college deferments, no National Guard/Reserve without first serving out the conscription period, and draft dodgers lose their citizenship...
 
We could conquer the world. Then there would be no borders.

We could then send pare the population down a good 6 billion people. Then there would be no public and no need for health.

Abolish the survivors to the farms... no urban ... no urban decay.

100% taxes... all posessions surrendered to the government... no inflation.

Now that the government has everything there is no political corruption ... after all... theres nothing left to bribe them with.
 
One thing ive always noticed. It's always easier to pointing out failings in a country you dont live in. Wonder what failings Aus has that hasnt been brought to light? Could be embarassing for the poster to face their own failings.
 
I've long espoused that America is the longest standing democracy in the history of civilization, and as such, is succeptible to fall any time now. The signs are all about us...doesn't take a genius to see them. It's being destroyed from within, and in the name of preserving it. Political correctness is our worst enemy. We have somehow convinced ourselves that while all men are created equal, they are also fundamentally equal. That just isn't true. Some people are better than others. It's an inescapable fact. These differences are not correlated by boundaries of race, age, education, socioeconomic status, or any other single variable. We just aren't all the same, for which I am thankful.

I do not possess the talents others possess; they do not all possess my talents. My moral structure is different from the next person's. My work ethic varies from the next person's. My appreciation for art is different than yours. Not better...different.

Somewhere along the line we equated different with evil. It is our differences that make us a stronger unit. Some are trying to erase those differences. It weakens the whole.

I've known homeless genuises. I've known rich fools. I've known moral cheaters and amoral philanthropists.

If American society as we have always known it is to survive, it must, before any other task, stop and survey its merits. It must return to more traditional personal values at the cost of other endeavors. Else I fear it is doomed to die from self-consumption. It is eating its own tail. I personally have zero problem with any one person holding any belief they choose to hold, be it on a political, religious, or any other front. However, some people seem hellbent to keep me from doing that very thing. It's the "I don't therefore I'll make sure you can't" line of reasoning, and it is self-defeating by its very nature. Still, we flock to it in droves.

The Roman Empire fell for its various reasons. I truly think the American Dream is next. I hope and pray I'm wrong, but the signs and seeds are everywhere. And if it does indeed happen, my thoughts turn to two questions:

1. Who will rise from the ashes to take the reins, and what dogma will they espouse?

2. Who among us id best prepared to survive in a land where every facet of modern convenience and custom is suddenly gone?






I'm still building that hermit retreat. I won't go quietly.
 
samcurry said:
One thing ive always noticed. It's always easier to pointing out failings in a country you dont live in. Wonder what failings Aus has that hasnt been brought to light? Could be embarassing for the poster to face their own failings.
*cough* New Zealand

Hmm.. that link leads back to a Kileen, Texas School online assignment. lol
 
LOL, attack of the hairfoots. from the waist down im a dead man.

Actually its a very pretty country, i even have a few friends there. But, I just dont get their politics. If you can find it. Most of what i find is policy from the prime minister and her cabinet. But cant seem to find substance like US politics.
Here is a sampling of their recent agendas.

Wellington Land Transport Project - Cabinet Policy paperCabinet policy paper proposing formation of a project group for improving Wellington region transport
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON CIVIL UNION AND RELATIONSHIPS (STATUTORY REFERENCES) BILLSWe answer some of the common questions about the new legislation.
New laws remove discrimination: minister The introduction of the Civil Union Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill is about removing discrimination in New Zealand law explains Associate Minister of Justice David Benson-Pope.
Public Information on the Treaty of Waitangi: Progress ReportCabinet paper noting progress to date with the implementation of the Treaty of Waitangi Information Programme.
Review of the Operation of the Protected Disclosures Act 2000Report to the Minister for State Services, tabled in Parliament on 16 December, 2003
Te Kawai Ora Report'Building the capacity to 'read' and shape Maori and other worlds' is proposed as a national definition of literacy in a report released today by Associate Maori Affairs Minister Tariana Turia.
Digital terrestrial television - spectrum allocationCabinet paper on the favoured option for allocating spectrum suitable for digital terrestrial television.
Digital television - platform and standardsCabinet paper on digital television platforms and industry progress on adopting standards for transmission and reception of digital television.
Digital satelite television - spectrum managementCabinet paper on the favoured option for allocating or designating spectrum suitable for digital satelite television.
Implications of digital television for public broadcastingCabinet paper on the implications of digital television for TVNZ and the Maori Television Service, and for programming funded by NZ on Air and Te Mangai Paho.

Wheres the real deal? this really cant be all the issues and agendas they have, can it?
 
Ok so i looked but it is still nothing more than i posted earlier. Your telling me that they have no political rifts as we do in the US? I just cant believe that to be the case. whats under the rug thats being supressed?
 
samcurry said:
Ok so i looked but it is still nothing more than i posted earlier. Your telling me that they have no political rifts as we do in the US? I just cant believe that to be the case. whats under the rug thats being supressed?

They have a miniscule population. Give them another 50 years, and they'll be at each others throats. Nothing breeds contempt like proximity and familiarity. ;)
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
1. Who will rise from the ashes to take the reins, and what dogma will they espouse?

Most likely China

2. Who among us id best prepared to survive in a land where every facet of modern convenience and custom is suddenly gone?

I doubt that ever happens.
 
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