Ho hum....

Ms Ann Thrope said:
I'm sure you're right. I was merely speaking of my own perception. Prior to the Watergate scandal I was naive.

Me too. Then I started reading history in college.
 
Squiggy said:
Yeah Hex...Thats why I posted this. :rolleyes: Or maybe i'm just a little tired of the right posting bogus bendable figures claiming the economy is great or posting bullshit innuendo about proof of the WMDs that they swore would be there. You think just because saddam fell that all the lies and bullshit were worth it? Our country lost its credibility over this. Our integrity is gone and won't be back any time soon. And you think this made us safer. Now we're legitimate targets. We've shredded the Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and the right to claim this as part of the war on terrorism. We are moving more like Hitler and the third riech everyday and i don't like it. The fat cats are sucking any and all wealth from this country and the world and you're content as long as you can run down the street wrapped in a US flag chanting USA! USA! USA! By the time Bush is done there will only be two classes in the US. The destitute and the uber elite. And hes handpicking the members of the latter. I'll bet you still believe Custer was a great American hero too...:disgust2:


Bendable figures-Todays closing DJIA 10278.22. Looks up to me.

Proof of WNDs: How many times do we have to do this? It's getting redundant. He had them. The entire world knew he had them. Clinton sent missiles because of them. Iranians are dead due to them. Kurds & other assorted sects are dead from them. He admitted them. The UN said destroy them & show us proof or let us destroy them. He didn't. It's logical to assume he still had them. If he didn't-WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?

He needed to be removed. Nobody else was willing to stick their neck out for the Iraqi's, including us. 09/11 happened. Bush said up front that the rules have changed. I agree with him. He said we're going on the ofensive. I agree with that too.
2 years & 3 months later, saddam is outta power, Afghanistan is building a democratically controlled government (as is Iraq), Libya is giving up it's WMD's, America hasn't been attacked again, Iran is toppling, SA is under attack from within, Syria is trying it's best to kiss our ass & alqieda is on the run & in shambles. (I assume you read the story of how the Turkey Synagogue bombing wasn't first choice, the bombers disobeyed orders).
If you don't like the policies, present a better candidate. Dean isn't gonna cut it. The Dems best choice (Lieberman) isn't even a legit contender because what goes badly for us is good for them.

Our Constitution is safe & intact. The Geneva Convention is being applied. The war on terror is going along & we're ahead. No thanks to the American liberals & the elitist snobs at the cultured UN. Sometimes you just gotta fight. This is one of those times. The snobs are safer too. Thanks to us. Our integrity is fine. Some of them are pissed. So what.

It's time to back off the Hitler/Bush comparrison. That is complete bullshit & a cheap shot. How many mass graves have the Americans found in the US? Is teh number even close to the 3-400,000 bodies found in Iraq? It's nowhere close to the 6 million Jews. Drop that crap.
 
(Lieberman) isn't even a legit contender because what goes badly for us is good for them.
Us and them?????? Who is us and who is them?
The UN said destroy them & show us proof or let us destroy them. He didn't. It's logical to assume he still had them. If he didn't-WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?
It doesn't even occur to you that he may have destroyed them and was such an arrogant asshole that he was going to fuck with the US and the UN as long as he could. Remember, George the first's administration gave him tacit approval to do his worst until he turned away from Iran and went after Kuwait (and the US interests there).

I agree about the Hitler crap though. I still disagree that war was or is the best solution in this case. You go to war because there is no other choice. This was not the case in Iraq (as we are beginning to find out).

Finally I'd just like to point out that I am not, was not and will never be leftist, liberal or anything like it. This predilection for labeling anything you don't agree with is just mental shorthand and the more you repeat it the less meaning it has.
 
chcr said:
Us and them?????? Who is us and who is them?

America is us & Democrats is them.

Yes it occured to me. He, as stated in teh umpteen resolutions, had to provide proof, which he didn't.
 
Gonz said:
America is us & Democrats is them.

Yes it occured to me. He, as stated in teh umpteen resolutions, had to provide proof, which he didn't.

Ah, I see, anyone who doesn't agree with you is by definition unamerican. Thank you Mr. McCarthy.
 
That's not what I said.

I said that whatever goes poorly for American is good for the Democrats.

A short list of examples (I'm tired)

45+ years of talking about racism & doing nothing to solve it. If they fixed it, what would they have for an agenda?

If people are working what will they bitch about?

If the economy is roaring, what can they complain about?

If the war on terror isn't failing what will Dean rail against?

Get the picture?
 
It's time to back off the Hitler/Bush comparrison. That is complete bullshit & a cheap shot. How many mass graves have the Americans found in the US? Is teh number even close to the 3-400,000 bodies found in Iraq? It's nowhere close to the 6 million Jews. Drop that crap



i think its the idea of facism and doing things only his way regardless of whether it will infringe on rights.



I said that whatever goes poorly for American is good for the Democrats.


:rolleyes: ive only heard that from right wingers. ive alos heard the vice versa from the left. its total bullshit from both sides
 
It is bullshit. Ask yourself one question. When was the last time that a Dem candidate gave a positive reason to vote FOR him? (federal election)(and what was it). Not a reason to vote against the other guy.
 
Gonz said:
That's not what I said.

I said that whatever goes poorly for American is good for the Democrats.

A short list of examples (I'm tired)

45+ years of talking about racism & doing nothing to solve it. If they fixed it, what would they have for an agenda?

If people are working what will they bitch about?

If the economy is roaring, what can they complain about?

If the war on terror isn't failing what will Dean rail against?

Get the picture?

I do get the picture. The difference between democrats and republicans is marketing, nothing more. They make differing noises, but in the end it really doesn't matter which lying bastard you put in power. Oh, and what you said was us=Americans and them=Democrats
America is us & Democrats is them.

I didn't take that out of context, did I?
 
Gonz said:
It is bullshit. Ask yourself one question. When was the last time that a Dem candidate gave a positive reason to vote FOR him? (federal election)(and what was it). Not a reason to vote against the other guy.



i tend to vote democrat since the republicans for the most part have given me reason to although there was a republican i almost voted for named McCain but he dropped out just before the election. but mostly its because the republicans have given me reason to vote democrat.
 
i did. if you read into it it actually says that the ONLY reason i voted for the democrats is cause the republicans gave me reason to. otherwise i wouldnt vote for any of them. though i do agree with some of their stands i dont generally like them(excpet i was a fan of Ralph Neader)
 
you asked me to give a reason to vote for a democrat didnt you? i just did. what the fuck else do i need to tell you
 
freako104 said:
i think its the idea of facism and doing things only his way regardless of whether it will infringe on rights.

No. It's an emotional appeal designed to do nothing more than to use your feelings against Hitler to turn you against Bush. The term "fallacy" should be popping into the head of anyone who paid attention to the lecture on logic in school.

Freak, here's Gonz's question: What Democrat in a national election has given you reason to vote for him instead of against the Republican? Your answer translates to: "I've always voted against the Republican instead of for the Democrat." So to really answer Gonz's question, and answer it truthfully, the word you're looking for is "none."
 
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