How did you know...

[The Other One]

....reported by Al Jazeera....

An unbiased, credible source for information about U.S./MiddleEast relations.

You'd like to believe al Jazeera? They'd say anything to discredit the United States. Terrorists understand how to use the media to their advantage. I would'nt believe any of the stories the detainees tell unless it's proved from a more reliable source other than themselves. Maybe the same "anonymous source" Newsweak used could back them up?

WAIT A MINUTE!! That "anonymous source"---it was that article in al-Jazeera! Newsweak rehashed that story and attributed it to an "unnamed source"! STOP THE PRESSES! (Answer is: what Newsweak now wishes they had said...)

Who could question their reliability after knowing they hired this guy:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/16/international/i052012D64.DTL&sn=033&sc=633

Al-Jazeera Reporter Denies al-Qaida Ties
By MAR ROMAN, Associated Press Writer

Monday, May 16, 2005
(05-16) 05:20 PDT MADRID, Spain (AP)

A war correspondent with the Arab satellite television station Al-Jazeera denied charges Monday that he had close ties to the alleged leader of a Spanish al-Qaida cell accused of helping plot the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.

Tayssir Alouni, 50, who interviewed Osama bin Laden shortly after the attacks, is among 24 suspects on trial here in Europe's biggest court case against radical groups with alleged ties to the terror network.

Spanish investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon says Alouni, while living in the southern city of Granada in the 1990s, formed a radical Muslim indoctrination unit and was the right-hand man of the alleged leader of the Spanish cell, Syrian-born Spaniard Imad Yarkas, who is also on trial.

 

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Once again ,these are not new accusations and even the Pentagon says they are looking into the possibility that it happened.The reporters asked for DOD to look over their story and since the one guy made corrections to parts of it and not the Quran references ,one could assume it was a valid inclusion.

The Newsweek report was not the first public airing of allegations about U.S. personnel at Guantanamo Bay desecrating a Koran. In August and October 2004 there were news reports based on a lawsuit and a written report by British citizens who had been released from the prison in Cuba. They claimed abuse by U.S. guards, including throwing their Korans into the toilet.

In January, Kristine Huskey (search), a lawyer representing Kuwaitis detained at Guantanamo, said they claimed to have been abused and in one case a detainee watched a guard throw a Koran into a toilet.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156755,00.html




Based on the reponse to the Newsweek article ,you have to wonder whether the Military would even admit to it if they ever find something or they have found problems at Gitmo and knowing the Muslim reponse have simply not released their findings.

 

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You'd like to believe al Jazeera? They'd say anything to discredit the United States. Terrorists understand how to use the media to their advantage. I would'nt believe any of the stories the detainees tell unless it's proved from a more reliable source other than themselves. Maybe the same "anonymous source" Newsweak used could back them up?

Nope never said I did,but those radicals who are running Amok now ,would have just as much reason to use AJ as a "arab source" to back up their hate of the West as NW .So why the hoopla now.

 

[HomeLAN]

Again, those words are coming from detainees.

Look, they may have done it. If they did, then why is Newsweek backpedalling? Maybe chcr's right and it is a scapegoat deal.

However, if they didn't, then de facto Newsweek didn't properly vet its source, and id responsible for deaths. You're willing to let 'em walk on that because the detainees have said this before?

Damn.

 

[chcr]

This was already in the public domain back in 2004 albeit Afghanistan and reported by Al Jazeera,why would they assume "re-reporting" of this as potentially Inflaming if Muslims were already aware of it.

Now that starts to make it look like a put up job.

Obviously, because Al Jazeera isn't getting the circulation, even over there, that Newsweek is. All the more reason to check out your sources 8 ways from your ass, wouldn't you say? With great power, yada yada.

Yep, I give up.

 

[HomeLAN]

Once again, chcr, if they did this at Gitmo, you have a point, but if they didn't, then Newsweek didn't properly vet. Period, the end.

 

[The Other One]

Based on the reponse to the Newsweek article ,you have to wonder whether the Military would even admit to it if they ever find something or they have found problems at Gitmo and knowing the Muslim reponse have simply not released their findings.

Newsweak thought they had another Grab-an-Arab on their hands. If only they had pictures of the desecration, then....THEN....

HOLY SHIITE

 

[A.B.Normal]

Once again, chcr, if they did this at Gitmo, you have a point, but if they didn't, then Newsweek didn't properly vet. Period, the end.

Figuring how the Muslim world would react if they found the incidents true,why ,without the existence of photos would the Military ever admit that any of their troops did in fact treat the Quran with disrespect.Do you think Abu Ghraib ever would have come to light if there hadn't been pictures.

 

[HomeLAN]

SO, we're back to "you ain't ever gonna know the truth, so whatever position you take is conjecture". I can't believe it took that many posts to get back where I was on the first fuckin' page.

 

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SO, we're back to "you ain't ever gonna know the truth, so whatever position you take is conjecture". I can't believe it took that many posts to get back where I was on the first fuckin' page.

So why lynch the reporters for incitement when they:

A)weren't reporting anything that these Fanatics weren't already told(many seperate times)
B)They had been given corrections by the DOD ,who didn't have a problem with the Quran part.



Kinda like yelling "fire" in a crowded and burning theater and being blamed for the stampede that ensues even though everyone smelled the smoke.

 

[Professur]

Kinda like yelling "fire" in a crowded and burning theater and being blamed for the stampede that ensues even though everyone smelled the smoke.

Interesting analogy. Wrong, but interesting. To follow your lead, this case would be someone yelling fire in a crowded theater and being blamed for the stampede that ensues even though everyone smelled someone smoking a cigarette.

 

[HomeLAN]

They had been given corrections by the DOD ,who didn't have a problem with the Quran part.

Uhh, no.

The original Newsweek article cited "sources" as saying that interrogators, "in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Quran down a toilet."

But Newsweek said only a single source was used and that after the original article was published, the government source said he wasn't sure what he'd read about the desecration.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/17/newsweek.quran/index.html

Now the part about running it by the DOD seems to have disappeared.

Curiouser and curiouser....


However, my original thought was that nobody knows whether the DOD is covering or Newsweek fucked up. chcr, you, TOO, Gonz, you've all voiced opinions. Both opinions are reasonable, GIVEN CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS. At this point, none of those assumptions can be proven, so all of you are talking out your ass and don't want to admit it. This story's still fluid, let's see what develops.

However, IF AND ONLY IF Newsweek published this AND it never happened, then they obviously didn't vet sufficiently, and they damn well OUGHT to be crucified for it.

Clear enough for you, AB?

 

[chcr]

Once again, chcr, if they did this at Gitmo, you have a point, but if they didn't, then Newsweek didn't properly vet. Period, the end.

Oh, I agree completely. This is what I hate about the media. I'm not so sure about Gitmo, but Newsweek certainly sensationalized an existing story, didn't they?

 

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U.S. officials did not deny the report when it first appeared.

And

"People lost their lives. People are dead," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said. "People need to be very careful about what they say, just as they need to be careful about what they do."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156755,00.html
Unless Rummys had his medication upped ,hes being awfully restrained ,for something that was "incorrect" .Almost as if hes saying "loose lips, sink ship"so be quiet about anything that could be dangerous to the masses.

 

[HomeLAN]

OK. Obviously, you have no wish to think outside your preconceptions on this one.

 

[Gato_Solo]

If it makes any difference to you, I see what you're saying and I agree. Our Govt. fucked up again. They got caught again. Some people are just so blind to the possibility of a Repub lying they just won't see it.

Sorry, PT, but I have a knowledgeable source who states, quite bluntly, that the prisoners were flushing the Koran down the crapper to try to get the plumbing to back up, and be released from their cells. They did this because it happened once, on accident, and a prisoner was out of his cell for 3 hours while they fixed his plumbing.

 

[Winky]

"no wish to think outside your preconceptions on this one"

Since when is a 'preconception' a bad thing?

 

[Gonz]

Honestly, I believe that some moronic yay-hoo at Guantanamo probably did the deed.

Interesting. You put more faith into the ramblings of some terrorists than into your own military & its proven track record of accomplishments.

 

[Gonz]

Almost as if hes saying "loose lips, sink ship"so be quiet

Better days then

 

[chcr]

Oh, I agree completely. This is what I hate about the media. I'm not so sure about Gitmo, but Newsweek certainly sensationalized an existing story, didn't they?

Ignoring everything you don't want to hear again, Gonz?