Impeach the Bastard

America is a nation of Laws, not of men. That is why we have absolutes, to remove the burden. If a law is unjust (it cannot be wrong or right, it just is) it needs to be fought in the courts. When it's fought on the streets it becomes anarchy.
 
True enough. I was simply explaining what I meant by the phrase you quoted. I've been giving my personal opinion of someone's actions, not stating legality or otherwise. You offered an example you felt was similar to the situation in SF. I didn't see the similarity because I don't share the position of Mayor X. :shrug:
 
Then you would, intellectually, have to allow the same actions of Mayor X. If one can break the law in an opined justification then the other can too.
 
Gonz said:
America is a nation of Laws, not of men. That is why we have absolutes, to remove the burden. If a law is unjust (it cannot be wrong or right, it just is) it needs to be fought in the courts. When it's fought on the streets it becomes anarchy.
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what are teh chances a court or Supreme Court will hear the law if noone draws attention to it?
 
Gonz said:
Then you would, intellectually, have to allow the same actions of Mayor X. If one can break the law in an opined justification then the other can too.
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Intellectually, yes, I agree that he is doing what he believes to be the "right" thing. However since I don't share his belief system I see at as "wrong." Just as one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist, depending on where they are standing, no? guess that's just moral relativism, huh? It doesn't mean the battles are the same, the details differ, but the motivation is the same, the feeling of following one's moral imperative is the same. But then all struggles boil down to that conflict: a particular group believes they are following the only right path and all others are wrong. Pro-life vs Pro-choice, Republican vs Democrat, Muslim vs Christian, Palestinian vs Israeli, Protestant vs Catholic, Segregationist vs Desegregationist, Hawks vs Doves, etc etc etc.
 
Ms Ann Thrope said:
Intellectually, yes, I agree
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What else is there? No one person, to my knowledge, on OTC is in a position to change squat in real life. (outside our own) so all these arguments are intellectual masturbation. We may place our ideals in them but it means nothing in the long run.

On the other hand, I have, since high school, had a hankerin' to run for public office. I just won't play the game so I don't waste the money.
 
Ms Ann Thrope said:
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Have you ever doubted its existence? I live on that battlefield. ;)
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I always did. I thought ti was the Christian Right that thought of the whole culture war. and gonz you have proved why they break the law. becaue otherwise it goes unnoticed. they need the attention thus they break the law.
 
Just out of curiosity, during this horrible time period when gays were actually issued *gasp* marriage certificates, did anybody notice a huge pit to hell open up under San Francisco, or hear the trumpets of the apocalypse? Did society in those areas degrade into anarchy with naked people running in the street with twigs in their hair? Did every hetero couple suddenly look at each other and say, "You know, ever since those two homos across the street got married I just don't feel that our marriage has any meaning any more."? No. You know why, because none of that happened. People went to bed. They woke up. They went to bed again. Nothing bad happened.

Go figure.

 
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Just out of curiosity, during this horrible time period when gays were actually issued *gasp* marriage certificates, did anybody notice a huge pit to hell open up under San Francisco, or hear the trumpets of the apocalypse? Did society in those areas degrade into anarchy with naked people running in the street with twigs in their hair? Did every hetero couple suddenly look at each other and say, "You know, ever since those two homos across the street got married I just don't feel that our marriage has any meaning any more."? No. You know why, because none of that happened. People went to bed. They woke up. They went to bed again. Nothing bad happened.

Go figure.

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I can see something bad. Several thousand people were cheated. Fraud by the government is the same as fraud by the people. The mayor most likely knew that the state wouldn't honor those marriage certificates, so all he did was defraud. I might be going out on a limb here, but isn't fraud a crime?
 
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