It explains so much

[Gonz]

Well, I suppose not since many of us already knew & many just simply refuse to see what is right before your eyes. The difference is in one small phrase...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A recording purportedly made by the mastermind of bombings and beheadings in Iraq threatened to assassinate Iraq's interim prime minister and fight the Americans "until Islamic rule is back on Earth."

So they wish to make Iraq an Islamic fundamentalist state. No surprise there. What is a surprise is the obvious & mistaken identity that a follower of wahabi-ism has formed. "Back on earth"...doesn't the adjective back indicate that Islam, at some near or distant part of the past, was already here, then left & is now attempting to return? As far as I know about Islam(which is admittedly limited) has it been around since about 650AD (it's inception)? Nobody, to my knowledge has chased it away to, say, Venus. It has nothing to return from since it never left. With that settled I'd like to make a pronouncement & end the War on Terror.



Hey, Islamic radicals....Islam has been here since its formation. You can relax now. If you happen to ignore this offering of peace & kill (or attempt to kill) the ruler of Iraq or any of his people or any of the other Iraqi interim government or any Spaniard or Frenchman or Canadaian or American (or other not mentioned nationaliy), the war is back on & you will lose.

Thank you & good day.

PS-Islam will rule earth NEVER.

 

[chcr]

Surely you're aware that there is a group of extreme fundamentalist christians who feel the same way about christianity? I'm sure all the other religions have their idiots too.

Surely you don't believe that all muslims feel that way?

 

[Gonz]

As soon as the Christian/Judaic/Buddahist/etc radicals start killing Americans or our allies & they put out someting as stoopid as this I'll respond to them in kind.

WTF?!?! anyway. Instead of denouncing radical fundamentalist wahabi's you attack me. It's becoming boring & predictable.


Don't call me Shirley.

 

[MrBishop]

As soon as the Christian/Judaic/Buddahist/etc radicals start killing Americans or our allies & they put out someting as stoopid as this I'll respond to them in kind.

WTF?!?! anyway. Instead of denouncing radical fundamentalist wahabi's you attack me. It's becoming boring & predictable..

I didn't realize that there were Buddhist radicals out there, unless you're talking about the ones that set themselves on fire to prove a point

The Muslims did hold a great deal of power for quite a while, until the Crusades kinda ruined their party. Their presence is still felt all throughout Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle-East with sometimes something as simple as the architecture.
They used to rule 'the world'...that is, if you count the world as the part of the earth that they had actually visited. I guess that they'd like that kind of power back. Unlikely...if not laugheable.

Don't call me Shirley.

 

[chcr]

As soon as the Christian/Judaic/Buddahist/etc radicals start killing Americans or our allies & they put out someting as stoopid as this I'll respond to them in kind.

WTF?!?! anyway. Instead of denouncing radical fundamentalist wahabi's you attack me. It's becoming boring & predictable.


Don't call me Shirley.

1. Well, Shirley, that was not intended as a personal attack of any kind. Sorry you took it that way, I was merely curious.

2. If you think christians or others don't do the same types of things, re-read history, most recently the Balkans.

3. I was in fact denouncing all of them, not simply the muslims. Once again though, are you aware that most muslims do not feel that way?


I was right, you guys are too touchy, I shouldn't have responded at all. I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

 

[Winky]

Well, Shirley, you guys are too touchy, I shouldn't have responded at all. I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

You screwed up and it's his\our fault, typical!
My bet is you’ve been like this since childhood.

 

[markjs]

Modern day "Christians" murder abortion doctors.

They also hole up with guns and battle the goverment.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Modern day "Christians" murder abortion doctors.

Wrong. One idiot who claimed to be Christian murdered an abortion doctor. Until you can understand the difference, you should stay back and listen. That last post was flame-bait.

And the loonies at Waco were never considered to be normal Christians...niether was Jim Jones, who you'll probably hold up to be a Christian ideal next. You are too predictable, and utterly without good arguments...

 

[markjs]

 

[markjs]

Wrong. One idiot who claimed to be Christian murdered an abortion doctor. Until you can understand the difference, you should stay back and listen. That last post was flame-bait.

And the loonies at Waco were never considered to be normal Christians...niether was Jim Jones, who you'll probably hold up to be a Christian ideal next. You are too predictable, and utterly without good arguments...

And your average muslim isn't as extreme as some select few others are either.

 

[markjs]

By the way, read the news there have been more than one abortion activist related murders, and I guarantee everyone involved was a "Christian". You do know what the quotation marks mean?

 

[Gato_Solo]

By the way, read the news there have been more than one abortion activist related murders, and I guarantee everyone involved was a "Christian". You do know what the quotation marks mean?

By the way...read my post. I may have mentioned the one case I knew about, but I also showed that whackos come from every religion. Most religious whacko's, however, are content with killing one, or two, non-believers at a time in the name of their 'religion'. The whacko's we're dealing with now will kill as many as they can, as often as possible, in order to further their agenda. You are doing nothing more than trying to excuse their actions with the broad brush of 'they aren't the only ones doing it'. That doesn't make what they're doing correct, though, does it? Another thing to think about when you post these non-arguments is this...what happened to all those other folks you keep trying to minimize todays actions with?

*hint...jail, or grave-yard?

 

[markjs]

I didn't use that as an argument to minimize what arab extremists do. Merely to point out that religeous extremists from any religeon can be pretty dangerous. I am all for hunting down al quaeda and blowing them off to paradise (hell).

The only point I was trying to make is A. there are dangerous wackos in any religeon. B. Not all of any religeons followers do such things.

 

[Gato_Solo]

I didn't use that as an argument to minimize what arab extremists do. Merely to point out that religeous extremists from any religeon can be pretty dangerous. I am all for hunting down al quaeda and blowing them off to paradise (hell).

Then why did you bring up the other whacko's in the first place? I sense a bit of hypocrisy here. You also only mentioned 'Christian' extremists...

 

[Gonz]

Modern day "Christians" murder abortion doctors.

They also hole up with guns and battle the goverment.

They also go to jail for murder. Frequently turned in by other Christians. See a pattern difference?

Who murdered an abortion doctor & holed up with guns & battled the government? That would be neither the Waco case nor the Idaho case.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

By the way, read the news there have been more than one abortion activist related murders, and I guarantee everyone involved was a "Christian". You do know what the quotation marks mean?

No I don't know what you mean, could you please clarify in words?

Mental illness often has deity component to it.

When people hear voices in their heads that they don't understand, even an atheist will often become very religious.

Messiah complex is when you have someone responding to internal stimuli that they attribute to: God, Jesus, Allah, Genesha, Manakkula Vinayakar or on a mission from the god they perceive. In the US is most often based on the Judea Christian God they have grown up with.

 

[Sharky]

Modern day "Christians" murder abortion doctors.

They also hole up with guns and battle the goverment.

(assuming you are referring to the Waco debacle)

Those were NOT Christians, they were "Branch Davidians".

 

[The Other One]

Behead the Young Infidel: A New Game For Muslim Kids
June 25, 2004
by Jeremy Reynalds

While the images are not as gruesome as the recent beheading videos of Kim Sun Il and Nick Berg they are nonetheless just as disturbing. That's because the participants in this video are young children who are staging a mock execution reminiscent of the Kim and Berg decapitations.

The New York Daily News said the "game" could be called "behead the infidel."

The shocking images in this movie take the words "silent movies" to an entirely different level. (Click here to see the video http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/jihadkids.wmv)

A girl and two hooded boys stand over a kneeling boy – all in positions to the ones similar to the ones assumed by the captors in recent executions. While gesticulating furiously with his hand, the hooded leader appears to deliver a speech. His apparent diatribe ends and the three captors, all carrying play stick rifles, seize their helpless victim.

The ringleader and the girl then pretend to saw off their victim's head.

The New York Daily News reported that the video was found by them on the web site, shareeah.org, of radical hook-handed London based Islamic preacher Sheik Abu Hamza al-Masri, jailed last month on terror charges.

However, an exhaustive search by a reporter on Thursday failed to find the video on al-Masri's web site. It was, however, obtained elsewhere and is available here.

The web site, shareeah.org, is apparently run by members of Hamza's Finsbury Park Mosque in London, formerly attended by Zacarias Moussaoui and shoe-bomber Richard Reid. It appears to be administrated out of Utrecht in the Netherlands.

A spokesman did not immediately respond to an e-mail or a message left on voice-mail.

Al-Masri was taken into custody in a predawn raid in London in May on a U.S. warrant, accused of trying to set up jihad camps in Oregon and helping the bombers of the U.S. destroyer Cole.

As reported earlier this year, al-Masri is one of the most controversial Muslim figures in Britain. Although he was banned from his Finsbury Park mosque in London's northern suburbs in 2003, he nonetheless continued to preach on the pavement outside.

Police said that the Finsbury Park mosque premises "have played a role in the recruitment of suspected terrorists and in supporting their activity both here and abroad."

Al-Masri came to prominence in 1999 when five Britons of Pakistani origin were convicted in Yemen, CNN reported. They were sentenced to between three and seven years for plotting to blow up targets in Aden including the British consulate, a church and a hotel.

His teenage son and stepson were among those convicted and prosecutors said he had sent the group to Yemen. Al-Masri denied this, CNN said, and the five insisted they had been tortured into signing confessions.

Al-Masri and his group were also accused of working with Islamic radicals who kidnaped 16 Westerners in December 1998. Four of the Westerners died in a shoot-out during a botched rescue attempt by Yemeni security forces.

After the attacks of 9/11, Al-Masri said the plane hijackers should be hailed as "martyrs" if it emerged they had carried out the attacks in the name of Islam.

As reported Al-Masri said, "I won't condone what has happened and I won't condemn it because I don't know who has done it yet. If somebody has done this just for earthly gain and political advancement, then obviously it is a cheap cause. But if it was done because people are desperate and their lives have been threatened, then that is a respectable cause which no one could dare to condemn. Then those people who carried out the attacks would be martyrs. Martyrdom is the highest form of jihad (holy war).

Abu Hamza married a British woman and became a British citizen in 1981.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/04/reynalds062504.htm

The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 13, 2004

Reactions to the grotesque jihadist decapitation of yet another "infidel Jew," Mr. Berg, make clear that our intelligentsia are either dangerously uninformed, or simply unwilling to come to terms with this ugly reality: such murders are consistent with sacred jihad practices, as well as Islamic attitudes towards all non-Muslim infidels, in particular, Jews, which date back to the 7th century, and the Prophet Muhammad's own example.

According to Muhammad’s sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe. He appointed an "arbiter" who soon rendered this concise verdict: the men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims. Muhammad ratified this judgment stating that it was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, 'When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [their] necks' (Qur'an sura 47, verse 4)”....Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah." [The Laws of Islamic Governance, trans. by Dr. Asadullah Yate, (London), Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., 1996, p. 192. Emphasis added.]

Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

For centuries, from the Iberian peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut. On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign:

"Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp." [The Baburnama -Memoirs of Babur, Prince and Emperor, translated and edited by Wheeler M. Thacktson, Oxford University Press,1996, p. 188. Emphasis added.]

Recent jihad-inspired decapitations of infidels by Muslims have occurred across the globe- Christians in Indonesia, the Philippines, and Nigeria; Hindu priests and "unveiled" Hindu women in Kashmir; Wall Street Journal reporter, and Jew, Daniel Pearl. We should not be surprised that these contemporary paroxysms of jihad violence are accompanied by ritualized beheadings. Such gruesome acts are in fact sanctioned by core Islamic sacred texts, and classical Muslim jurisprudence. Empty claims that jihad decapitations are somehow "alien to true Islam," however well-intentioned, undermine serious efforts to reform and desacralize Islamic doctrine. This process will only begin with frank discussion, both between non-Muslims and Muslims, and within the Muslim community.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371