It's on the BBC, it must be true

ClaireBear said:
Or certain "reputable" Scientific journal / article writers are "funded" by large corporate companies that depend upon the burning of fossil fuels for business...
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That argument works the other way around, too dear. ;) The pockets may not be as deep, but the pockets are there none-the-less.
 
*ahem*

BeardofPants said:
However, that doesn't preclude that the species Homo sapiens doesn't/hasn't contribute(d) to this cycle in some way. :shrug:
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I know that volcanism causes a great deal of damage, and has throughout history, I know that there have been several periods of global warming through the interglacial periods, as well as several glacial maximums, I know that dinosaur farts were baaaaaad. I don't think anyone really disputes that. However, the ever depleting Amazon forest, and other forests around the world, as well as agriculture, CFCs, over-farming/over-fishing, destruction of eco-systems, mass-existinctions (though certainly not just associated with damage caused by humans), etc. How can you not say that humans have effected the environment? :shrug:
 
BoP said:
However, the ever depleting Amazon forest,
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Good example. Say, are the people using the forest as timber, cooking fuel & (later) grazing land, capitalist pigs from a country hell bent on the spread of the evil western culture or are they natives looking for a place to live? Using the ever popular Kyoto accord, these same people are not obligated to follow the Kyoto protocol. Why? My guess is they are not evil western industrialists.

The rain forest (formerly known as a JUNGLE) has brought mankind malaria, typhoid fever & AIDS. Do we really have to keep it?
 
Gonz said:
Do we really have to keep it?
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Do I really need to answer this idiotic question? :hmm: Sure why not, wipe the whole damned thing out. Nevermind that it happens to be home for a whole buncha critters.... they're not human, it doesn't matter. :alienhuh:
 
BeardofPants said:
Nevermind that it happens to be home for a whole buncha critters....
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So does the savannah, the desert, the moutaintop & the deep sea. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
 
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prepare yourselves for the next generation in fashion accesso...no :erm: neccesity.:eyebrow:

Actually, I think it is more a matter of worrying about the impact on the entire global system of ecosystems - thousands of species which will inevitably be wiped out and which will inevitably affect life as we know it; a sort of dominoe effect.

the impact of greenhouse gases on climate change is increasingly undeniable

that article I link to, makes a very good point.

The chatter of skeptics is distracting us from the real issue: how best to respond to the threats that global warming presents.
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The only ones denying it are the precisely the very ones with the most to loose by the changes which are required in order to do something about it; those with that huge reliance on economic wealth gained through the production of greenhouse gases. It is obviously in both the govt, coorporate and media's best interest to persuade people for as long as possible that the risk is in fact some huge big misconception, a conspiracy and there are more important things to worry about...like terrorists, for example.

Note the same thinghappened with the tobacco industry, the media and the risk of cancer...until it was impossible to be distracted by the skeptics and ignore the evidence any longer. Of course. :shrug:


True...Climate change is natural; the impact of unnatural greenhouse gases result in such a massive acceleration process that what would occur in say, a milennia or so is occuring within the matter of couple of centuries.

Scientists see it in tree rings, ancient coral and bubbles trapped in ice cores. These reveal that the world has not been as warm as it is now for a millennium or more. The three warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998; 19 of the warmest 20 since 1980. And Earth has probably never warmed as fast as in the past 30 years...
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That certainly doesn't bode well for Canada.
Les will be having summers like mine and I'll
get used to daytime highs in the upper 150's.

Heck Canuckistan will just have to become the 51st state
and we will all migrate north. Louie on the other hand will
first be vaporized then drowned from the melted polar icecaps

sorry Bud-dy!

How much land mass will Kiwiland have left after
such an outrageous sea level rise?

For answers to these and other burning questions
tune in tomorrow for another installment of:

As the environmentalist wacko turns!
 
the cure for the summertime blues
Another familiar claim of the environmentalist community is that the Amazon constitutes the "lungs of the earth," supplying one-fifth of the world’s oxygen. But, according to Antonio Donato Nobre of INPE, and other eco-scientists, the Amazon consumes as much oxygen as it produces, and Stott says it may actually be a net user of oxygen.

"In fact, because the trees fall down and decay, rainforests actually take in slightly more oxygen than they give out," says Stott. "The idea of them soaking up carbon dioxide and giving out oxygen is a myth. It’s only fast-growing young trees that actually take up carbon dioxide."
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For every alarmist piece there are, finally, scientists denying the screams of chicken little. The earth warms & it cools. We are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. There has always been greenhouse gases & there has always been particulates.

If we have so much control over mother nature, why am I sitting in a flood emergency? Why didn't we just stop the avalanche in Park City Utah? Can I get a 78degree week in early April, I'd like to take a week off.

Humans are good. We not God or gods however.

there is no proof cigarettes cause cancer either
 
Gonz said:
For every alarmist piece there are, finally, scientists denying the screams of chicken little.
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They've always been there Gonz. It's just easier to jerk your knee and react than it is to try to gain an understanding of the issue. :shrug:
 
BeardofPants said:
Yep, there's that as well. :tardbang:
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Ummm...most of our air comes from algae, not the 'jungle'. That aside, I'd still like to keep it. Makes a nice habitat for critters that would otherwise be in the garden, eating your stuff. ;)
 
Not to mention the billions of tons of Co2 kept disolved in the ocean, condensed out into stuff like sea shells, coral, limestone, and our beloved frozen hydrocarbons littering the deep sea floor.

Oh, and increasing the sea levels .... increases the amount of Co2 disolved.
 
Defrosting tundra from the Antarctic (resultant of warming climates) produces copious amounts of methane. I think we can safely say that there are 'dangerous' factors involved in all levels of existence. 'Tain't no difference whether it comes from whale farts or cars. They all have an impact upon the eco-systems. :shrug:
 
None of which the planet can't handle. Mother Nature is far trickier & smarter than mankind ever could be.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Ummm...most of our air comes from algae....
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Given that most of the planet is surrounded in water, it's no surprise that most of the CO2/O2 conversion occurs through algae, etc. The problem there is that even that eco-system is getting fucked over with the depletion of certain maritime species. :shrug:
 
Gonz said:
None of which the planet can't handle. Mother Nature is far trickier & smarter than mankind ever could be.
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Anthropomorphising, gonz?

I'm not worried about the planet suddenly disappearing or summit. :shrug: I'm worried that we're making this planet uninhabitable for humans, and some of the other organisms that inhabit it.
 
CO2 emissions and in general every sort of pollution should be decreased, no matter if they cause global warming or not, but because they are pollution and it isn't healthy for any of us, nor it will be for our children.
 
Luis G said:
CO2 emissions and in general every sort of pollution should be decreased, no matter if they cause global warming or not, but because they are pollution and it isn't healthy for any of us, nor it will be for our children.
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Now that, my friend, is an argument I can stand behind.
 
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