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jimpeel

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Well, the rush to become the next Zimbabwe is on; and we will soon all be singing the praises of Barack "Mugabe" Obama. I wonder if he will be ordering some of those nice suits from Mugabe's tailor. Ya gotta admit, for a despot he always looks mighty sharp.

SOURCE

Arrest Made in Home Foreclosure Civil Disobedience Program

Monday, February 23, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

Police in Baltimore today made what is believed to be the first arrest in a civil disobedience program aimed at supporting homeowners who refuse to vacate their foreclosed homes.

An activist with ACORN — the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now — faces criminal charges after breaking into a home in southeast Baltimore on Thursday to protest the foreclosure crisis sweeping the country.

"This is our house now," ACORN member Louis Beverly reportedly said after cutting a lock with bolt cutters at the home.

Beverly will be charged with fourth-degree burglary, according to Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the Baltimore Police. Attempts to reach his attorney, Justin Brown, were not immediately successful.

Donna Hanks, who owned the home since 2001, lost it in September when she couldn't make her $1,995 mortgage payments. It was not immediately clear whether Hanks re-entered her home last week, but she was not expected to be arrested, Guglielmi said.

Other police departments contacted by FOXNews.com said arrests would be made if an individual is determined to be residing at a foreclosed home illegally.

"If they're trespassing and it's not their property, absolutely, there'd by an arrest," a police source in Boston said. "If they were told to leave the property and they didn't, they'd be charged with disorderly conduct."

Pittsburgh Police Spokeswoman Diane Richard said charges would be filed against any individual found living in a foreclosed home, whether that individual had previously lived at the residence or not.

"If someone is court-ordered to vacate and they do not, it would be trespassing at that point," Richard said. "What exactly would be charged depends on the intensity of the violation. It could go all the way up to burglary, which is a felony."

The flood of foreclosures across the country has already led some law enforcement officials to alter how they handle evictions.

In Wayne County, Michigan, Sheriff Warren Evans suspended all foreclosure sales on Feb. 2 until a federal plan to combat foreclosures can be implemented, spokesman John Roach said. In Butler County, Ohio, Sheriff Richard Jones has reportedly ordered deputies not to evict residents who have no other housing options during the winter months. And in Cook County, Illinois, where a record 4,487 foreclosures occurred last year, Sheriff Thomas Dart appointed an attorney to review all eviction orders in October in order to protect individuals who continued to pay rent after their buildings were seized by banks.

Joe Cox, a community organizer for ACORN in Baltimore, said Monday's arrest was not a surprise.

"We definitely expected some kind of a response," Cox said. "We understand people have to do their jobs and we hope that they understand that we're doing this to highlight the issue."

Cox said he expects homesteading — refusing to vacate a foreclosed property — will become common as blame for the foreclosure crisis increasingly shifts from homeowners to financial corporations.

"This program is saying, 'We are not going,'" Cox said last week. "People say we're breaking the law, but we don't see how putting a person back in an abandoned property is harming anyone."

ACORN launched its "Home Savers" campaign in New York earlier this month and plans to expand the program to at least 22 other cities and three counties nationwide in the coming weeks. Participants like Beverly say they will refuse to move out of foreclosed homes or reclaim properties altogether until a comprehensive federal housing plan takes affect.

Cox said ACORN's homesteading program has attracted homeowners at risk of losing their homes from all socioeconomic backgrounds, from low-income Baltimore city neighborhoods to the more affluent Washington-area suburbs.

"We very much like what President Obama is doing with his foreclosure plan, but there's going to be a lot of people still left out," Cox said. "What we've been calling for nationally is a foreclosure moratorium so people have time to get help from a HUD-certified agency and start negotiating with lenders to get the banks off [their] back."

Attempts to reach Beverly on Monday were unsuccessful. In a Feb. 13 press release announcing the organization's plan to fight foreclosures, Beverly called for "civil disobedience" as a last resort.

"We need foreclosures to stop right now," Beverly said. "We need a moratorium to allow time to try to get loans modified so they can stay in their homes. The banks don't really want your house — it becomes a liability for them. With restructuring of the loan, everyone wins."

At least 500 volunteers have reportedly agreed to work as "home defenders" to employ non-violent tactics to block authorities from evicting homeowners. Other cities targeted by the campaign include Denver, (They just don't realize what they are messing with in Denver. The cops there have a nasty habit of shooting people. - j) Boston, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Cleveland, Minneapolis and Orlando, Fla.

Founded in 1970, ACORN is a community-based, grassroots organization that primarily focuses on — among other social issues — health care, affordable housing and voter registration programs. Its large-scale voter registration drives most recently came under scrutiny during the 2008 presidential race, during which ACORN reportedly gathered more than 1.3 million voter registration forms in 21 states. Approximately 400,000 forms were reportedly rejected for duplications, incomplete forms and fraudulent applications.

President Obama, who was endorsed by ACORN, served as a local counsel for the organization in a 1995 voting rights lawsuit.
 
um, jim, one would expect the police to be SUPPORTING ACORN if obama was

1) actually in love with ACORN like you think he is, and
2) using his official influence in inappropriate ways

see, obama is in the GOVERNMENT, like THE POLICE.

jesus christ nest time sort your own shit out before you spew sensationalist drivel.
 
What gets me is how some of you far right types seem to think it's OK for the lenders to use deceptive tactics and variable rate mortgages and all the BS they did and when they screw the lender it's OK. I'll give you that in the fine print, those who took the loans could have seen how it might happen, but I also see that some of the lenders just wanted to scam people and did so with as thin of a legal angle as possible.

I'll give you that there are many places the government regulates when it shouldn't but this is one place where obviously it had to do something. Making profits is fine, but purposely screwing people and reselling properties over and over, is greed and when greed blows up the whole economy, should we then let it get to the point where we need a wheelbarrow full of $100 bills to fill the gas tank, or let the government step in?

I say more power to people protesting shady business practices! You guys think it's fine to do what they do and trick people into financial ruin? Well then it ought to be fine for me to sell the latest designer drug I (theoretically) create in my home laboratory to your kids, because hey I gotta make a living too right? That particular drug I created wasn't illegal, and really, those kids ought to know drugs are bad, or might be potentially fatal right?
 
What gets me is how some of you far right types seem to think it's OK for the lenders to use deceptive tactics and variable rate mortgages and all the BS they did and when they screw the lender it's OK.

The government told them, starting with Jiminy Carter, to give loans to those who can't afford it. The program was increased under Clinton. The choice was, lend, "by your own free will" & Fannie & Freddie will buy your bad debt. Or, let us write law that will force you to lend & you'll be on your own. It only made sense to give loans-the government wanted 'em, the people wanted 'em & the banks weren't gonna get hurt. Until Fannies & Freddie overstayed their welcome & went tits up. Gee, whooda thunk it?!?! Giving Freddie Bartender & his gal pal Susie the Hairdresser a $649,000 loan, with a 125% morgage, was a bad idea?

However, none of that matters. Unless you had a gun pointed at your head when you applied for a loan that was out of your reach & had the inspections done & had the appraisals done and took time off work to o down to the title company to sign your life away, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. 2, 3, 4 mortgages. YOU. Interest only. YOU. 125LTV. YOU.

Greedy motherfuckers who knew their home wasn't worth 3 times market value still signed their life away. The were looking to get somethign for nothing. Sorry, *bzzzzzzt*, wrong answer. Ain't nothing free. And I, for one, am pissed at having to go through all this shit because some piss ant politician & his socialist friends with no idea how to run a business decided that helping the poor by forcing lender to give loans without ID or credit checks or even proof of income was a good idea.

The lenders may have been scum. The ones whose name was on the SIGNATURE line were far worse.
 
Look I don't give a crap if Aunt Jemimah was responsible, obviously it's out of control and I am not even saying I agree with bailouts, but I think some kind of closer eye should be kept on what is legal and what is not. That's all I am saying. Well that and that I don't see the problem with someone protesting it. I also don't see a problem with said protester being in jail for his efforts. Lenders who are scum loaning against homes not worth the loan, well if the lenders won't stop it, perhaps legislation should. I agree with you about those who went way beyond their means, I don't feel bad that they lost everything, but obviously the lenders will do things that are wrong until there is a law, and idiots will continue to live beyond their means, until there is some law or until the collapse is so complete that all of us but the 1% are suffering horribly.
 
http://michellemalkin.com/

Here is what the MSM won’t be telling you about the so-called “victim” in that case, ACORN worker Donna Hanks — all based on public records and court documents.

According to real property data search information, Hanks bought the two-story home in the summer of 2001 for $87,000. At some point in the next five years, she re-financed the original home loan for $270,000.

The house was sold seven months ago after two years of court-negotiated attempts to allow Hanks to dig herself out of her debt hole. The only squatter here is Donna Hanks. The only looters here are the ACORN racketeers. The foreclosure is not the criminal act. This is:


“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007

Barack's 'Organizer' Buds Pushed for Bad Mortgages
 
Obama was one of the lawyers who helped ACORN to sue CitiBank to force them to make loans to the underprivileged under the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). He said that it was a good idea to give mortgages to people who previously could not qualify. The banks were forced to make these loans by force of law and the guy you elected to fix the problem is one of the key players who caused the problem in the first place.

Does the word "redlining" jog any memories from a few years back?

WATCH THIS

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Acorn/Obama Sued Citigroup To Give The Loans That Caused This Mess.
Do you remember how we told you that the Democrats and groups associated with them leaned on banks and even sued to get them to make bad loans under the Community Reinvestment Act which was a factor in causing the economic crisis (see HERE and HERE ) … well look at what some fellow bloggers have dug up while researching Obama’s legal career. Looks like a typical ACORN lawsuit to get banks to hand out bad loans.

In these lawsuits, ACORN makes a bogus claim of Redlining (denying poor people loans because of their ethnic heritage). They protest and get the local media to raise a big stink. This stink means that the bank faces thousands of people closing their accounts and get local politicians to lobby to stop the bank from doing some future business, expansions and mergers. If the bank goes to court, they will win, but the damage is already done because who is going to launch a big campaign to get the bank’s reputation back?

It is important to understand the nature of these lawsuits and what their purpose is. ACORN filed tons of these lawsuits and ALL of them allege racism.

Case Name
Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
State/Territory Illinois
Case Summary
Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.

U.S. District Court Judge Ruben Castillo certified the Plaintiffs’ suit as a class action on June 30, 1995. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 322 (N.D. Ill. 1995). Also on June 30, Judge Castillo granted Plaintiffs’ motion to compel discovery of a sample of Defendant-bank’s loan application files. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 162 F.R.D. 338 (N.D. Ill. 1995).

The parties voluntarily dismissed the case on May 12, 1998, pursuant to a settlement agreement.
Plaintiff’s Lawyers Alexis, Hilary I. (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Childers, Michael Allen (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Clayton, Fay (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Cummings, Jeffrey Irvine (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Love, Sara Norris (Virginia)
FH-IL-0011-9000
Miner, Judson Hirsch (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Obama, Barack H. (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-7500 | FH-IL-0011-7501 | FH-IL-0011-9000
Wickert, John Henry (Illinois)
FH-IL-0011-9000
 
Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories

Sounds like a good reason for a lawsuitq and really doesn't support your claim in the least.

I noticed you ignored minkey and rJ's debunking of your original post. Did you just want to change the subject ater that?
 
Sounds like a good reason for a lawsuitq and really doesn't support your claim in the least.

I noticed you ignored minkey and rJ's debunking of your original post. Did you just want to change the subject ater that?

I responded to rJ's post #3 and #5 about how lenders used predatory lending practices. My post addressed this and showed that the lenders were forced, by legislation and lawsuit, to make these high risk loans. One of the people who sued CitiBank was Barack Obama and that lawsuit forced banks, under the CRA, to make high risk loans.

If anyone changed the subject, it was rJ. I was merely responding to his post.

Minkey's post #2 was simply not worth responding. The police are local municipalities and Obama is with the federal government. Apples and oranges. All government is not the same. The comparison was ludicrous.
 
I responded to rJ's post #3 and #5 about how lenders used predatory lending practices. My post addressed this and showed that the lenders were forced, by legislation and lawsuit, to make these high risk loans. One of the people who sued CitiBank was Barack Obama and that lawsuit forced banks, under the CRA, to make high risk loans.

You showed Obama involved ina lawsuit about denying people loans based on race. The lawsuit would force banks not to discriminate based on race.

Are you actually FOR discrimination based on race?

You didn't address predatory loan practices at all.


Minkey's post #2 was simply not worth responding. The police are local municipalities and Obama is with the federal government. Apples and oranges. All government is not the same. The comparison was ludicrous.

You must have thought Gonz trying to tie Obama to city police in this thread was utterly ludicrous then. Right.....Right?

I think you missed the overall point that it's ludicrous fro you to be trying to tie Obama to this incident at all.
 
The most important point here Jim, is that to you, the most important thing is who is to blame, whereas to me, and I hope Mr. Obama, is what do we do about it?

Even if Obama was to blame and even if he was to admit it, isn't it more important to now think what do we do to fix it?

Oh wait, I forgot, right wingers never make mistakes, if it hadn't been for us pesky socialists, the master race and Third Reich would have created utopia by now!
 
Minkey's post #2 was simply not worth responding. The police are local municipalities and Obama is with the federal government. Apples and oranges. All government is not the same. The comparison was ludicrous.

or perhaps you really don't have a good answer for the "ludicrous comparison."

and, no, it's not a ludicrous comparison. or, rather, it's no less of a ludicrous stretch than the one you are making constructing this MASSIVE CONSPIRACY.

yes jim, obama's grand vision is a nation of squatters.

*cough*wanker*cough*

watch out, dude, those ACORN community activists are gonna come and strongarm YOU motherfucker!!!!

:rofl:
 
The most important point here Jim, is that to you, the most important thing is who is to blame, whereas to me, and I hope Mr. Obama, is what do we do about it?

Even if Obama was to blame and even if he was to admit it, isn't it more important to now think what do we do to fix it?

Oh wait, I forgot, right wingers never make mistakes, if it hadn't been for us pesky socialists, the master race and Third Reich would have created utopia by now!

Politicians, of any stripe, not only never accept blame for the things they do, they continually make it worse with follow-up legislation designed to unscrew their prior screw-up; and that makes it even worse.
 
Politicians, of any stripe, not only never accept blame for the things they do, they continually make it worse with follow-up legislation designed to unscrew their prior screw-up; and that makes it even worse.

These generalizations of yours never help.
 
Squatting is illegal. Period. These folks couldn't pay their mortgage. Either they got in over their heads with eyes open with the thought of getting rich quick by selling off the property when it reached another high. Or they got tricked into a bad mortgage deal.

Either way, the best way to deal with this is to dump all these properties on the banks. You see... the seller got money for that property. And the buyer agreed to pay a certain price (with interest) back to the bank for the load to pay that seller. Money reached the seller's pocket from the bank. If the bank isn't willing to work with the buyer on fixing the interest rate to a reasonable level so they can pay it back... then fuck the bank. Dump that property on their sorry ass and lets see them try to get their money back. It's their own fault for not working with the homeowner.

In response...
Barak Obama was involved in registering voters, as was ACORN. As was many other voter registration groups. However, he was not working for ACORN, nor was he working with them on this squatter thing. :rolleyes:

And before you jump on my shit... I'm not an Obama fan, I'm just sick of all the screaming freaks with mass hysteria making false accusations. :rolleyes:

Let's all put these things in perspective, folks. Get a grip on yourselves.

Had a friend who compared Bush to Hitler... put a fuckin' stop to that shit. How dare she (and the other over-the-toppers) make the Holocaust so trivial. How dare they! :mad:
 
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