More Buckeye nonsense

[Gonz]

You just keep apologizing. I quit about 10 years ago.

Don't be stupid. Who get s the most (by percentage & percapita) calls, Marin or Oakland. The cops go where the criminals are. Most people, regardless of color, are decent law abiding folks who are sick & tired of the crime. Unfortunately, the is far more crime in urban settings (cool use of liberal double speak, huh). I won't even recognize the last question.

 

[flavio]

I'm not apologizing, becuase I have nothing to apologize for. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and act like the only problem with racism is with Jesse and the media. Ignoring the facts doesn't make them go away, but mybe it makes you feel better for some reason.

As far as racists not being in charge of anything, who's in charge here?:

A 1990 report released by the federal government’s General Accounting Office found a "pattern of evidence indicating racial disparities in the charging, sentencing and imposing the death penalty." The Stanford Law Review published a study that found patterns of racial disparity, based on the race of the victim, in Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Virginia. For example, in Arkansas findings showed that defendants in a case involving a white victim are three-and-a-half times more likely to be sentenced to death; in Illinois, four times, in North Carolina, 4.4 times and in Mississippi a defendant is five times more likely to be sentenced to death than defendants convicted of murdering blacks. An example closer to home can be found in the Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit, which encompasses eight counties in central Georgia. Between 1974 and 1991, the district attorney in that circuit sought the death penalty in 28 cases. The defendants were black in 22 of the cases.

Why won't you recognize the last question? Maybe you could just explain what you meant by

I don't condone "driving while black"

 

[chcr]

Stares wide eyed...what did you do with the other chcr?

We're all still here.
*I was schizophrenic first!
How can one of us be schizofrenic first?
We're not, we're all imaginary except me, now fuck off.*

Seriously, my point was that it's a white mans world in America, I didn't make it that way and I don't feel I owe anyone an apology.

Jesse pisses me off because he uses the fact that he was a minor figure in a great man's life to act like a fucking rock star.

 

[Gonz]

Why won't you recognize the last question? Maybe you could just explain what you meant

DWB is what they call it when the cops pull over blacks (apparently) because of their color, not some evil twisted deranged intent as you implied.

The defendants were black in 22 of the cases.

You don't see the irony? 22 of 28 death penalty murder cases were committed by blacks. Numerically, it should be less than 4 cases committed by blacks. Disparity my ass, they need dads in the homes.

So that's where Jesse came from. I bet MLK is embarassed now.

 

[flavio]

DWB is what they call it when the cops pull over blacks (apparently) because of their color, not some evil twisted deranged intent as you implied.

I'm just reading the words you put down. You said you don't condone "driving while black", and now I'm twisting your intent? You can see the reasoning for pulling over blacks more often right? ...because they're black.

You don't see the irony? 22 of 28 death penalty murder cases were committed by blacks. Numerically, it should be less than 4 cases committed by blacks. Disparity my ass, they need dads in the homes.

Apparently, missing the entire point of the article (that sand again) which is that the reason 22 of 28 are black is that blacks get the death penalty more often for the same crime.

It's probably pointless though, you're unable to see racism from whites anymore right?

 

[Gonz]

It's been 10 decades since slavery was abolished & 4 since the Jim Crow laws were put to rest. I wish somebody would give me (us) a number to look forward to. I prefer character over melanin, there are so many great reasons to dislike vs one.

 

[flavio]

Good to hear that you judge people by character. Ignoring the bigots around you doesn't make the problem go away though.

 

[Inkara1]

If we want to look at disporoprtionate representation on death row, how about this:

∙ Women account for about one in ten (10%) murder arrests;

∙ Women account for only one in fifty-two (1.9%) death sentences imposed at the trial level;

∙ Women account for only one in sixty-nine (1.5%) persons presently on death row; and

∙ Women account for only ten of the 807 (1.2%) persons actually executed in this modern era.

Source

Why don't I hear any bleeding-heart east bay liberals protesting this? Is it only discrimination if it's against groups that are traditionally considered "minority"?

 

[flavio]

Interesting stats, I'd be interested in seeing the chance of a woman getting the death penalty when convicted of the same crime as a man. I'm not sure if that info is available on that page though.

 

[Gato_Solo]

DWB is what they call it when the cops pull over blacks (apparently) because of their color, not some evil twisted deranged intent as you implied.


You don't see the irony? 22 of 28 death penalty murder cases were committed by blacks. Numerically, it should be less than 4 cases committed by blacks. Disparity my ass, they need dads in the homes.

So that's where Jesse came from. I bet MLK is embarassed now.

Okay. Back of the class, Gonz. DWB, as you succinctly put it, is not a made-up statistic. Read this, this, this, this, this, and pages 3, 8-10, 14, 27, 29-34, 179-184, and 254 of this. I know what you may be thinking...if blacks didn't do so many crimes, they wouldn't be stopped so often, but the flip side is this...if you get stopped as often, I'm sure that the police would find something in the same per capita percentage in whites as well.

 

[A.B.Normal]

If we want to look at disporoprtionate representation on death row, how about this:

Source

Why don't I hear any bleeding-heart east bay liberals protesting this? Is it only discrimination if it's against groups that are traditionally considered "minority"?

Didn't read the article ,but if women commit 10% of the murders and are only "(1.9%) death sentences" and "(1.5%) persons presently on death row" wouldn't this back up the argument that blacks are getting harsher penalties as they make up higher percentages of death sentences/on death row. ?not sure if this is the point your trying to make ( its 3:20a.m.here)

 

[chcr]

Thanks, Gato. I was sleeping while some of this discussion was going on, but I know that anyone who doesn't think racial profiling goes on every day, all around us, has an ostrich problem (hiding their heads in the sand).

Ignoring the bigots around you doesn't make the problem go away though.

Not a bad point Flavio, but the problem is you can't really do anything about the existing racists. It's the way they are and they're not going to change. I think some of the perceived racism in blacks is just frustration over what a slow process it is trying to overcome it. I don't know if it even can be overcome, but hope springs eternal.
I thought the most offensive racist act of the last ten years was perpetrated by the liberal community in California, however. Remember "ebonics?" It seemed to me that what they were trying to say is "these poor black children are too stupid to learn proper english, we'll make up a language that their limited little brains can deal with." These are the racists that make me the most angry. You can see the klan and the redneck assholes, you more or less know what to expect. It's the jackasses who want to "help the poor nee-groe because anyone can see he isn't capable of helping himself" that make my blood boil. I've said for years that a black man can have the same opprtunities as a white man in America, but he has to be willing to work at least twice as hard for them.

 

[Raven]

OK try this one for size. I live in a town called Bolton in the north west of England. Now within a 15 mile radius of my home there a no less than 8 mosques and three areas where if you are white and its prayer time you better steer clear. If you walk up one street (which you need to to get to the flicks) you will get looked upon as though you shouldnt be in that area and you are no less thatn muck on the floor. My brother was almost run over by muslim guys because his friend is jewish and he stuck up for her. This girl is now in hospital because she DID het hit. But an asian police officer investogated it. Guess what. No result. So please do not tell me that white people are more racist.

 

[chcr]

They aren't, stewey, there are racists assholes everywhere. Yet another in the long list of reasons that a god clearly does not exist. If one did, wouldn't it smite these morons?

 

[Raven]

They aren't, stewey, there are racists and assnoles everywhere. Yet another in the long list of reasons that god clearly does not exist.

Glad someone sees the 'no god' argument my way too.

 

[chcr]

 

[Raven]

 

[Gonz]

Okay. Back of the class, Gonz. DWB, as you succinctly put it, is not a made-up statistic. Read this, this, this, this, this, and pages 3, 8-10, 14, 27, 29-34, 179-184, and 254 of this. I know what you may be thinking...if blacks didn't do so many crimes, they wouldn't be stopped so often, but the flip side is this...if you get stopped as often, I'm sure that the police would find something in the same per capita percentage in whites as well.

Chicken & the egg paradox Gato. Which came first, DWB or a disproportionate number of crimes by blacks. Again, I don't support it but I see the reasoning. Just as I see the reasoning when there's a mass murderer, they look to white guys. Statistics are useful & harmful, depending on their use.

 

[Gato_Solo]

So, it would be logical to assume, given the story, that blacks teachers can't teach pre-civil war American history? They also would be excluded from much of world history?

I need to find my copy of "seperation of the races:modern era" book & begin studying. Foolishly I thought we were equal.

One caveat, Gonz. Black people served in the military of this country from the revolutionary war til today, and will serve for the foreseeable future. Did you forget about Crispus Atticks? Just to let you know...Soliders in the continental army (revolution) were on 6-month to 1 year tours. Blacks had to serve at least 4.

 

[Gonz]

One caveat, Gonz. Black people served in the military of this country from the revolutionary war til today, and will serve for the foreseeable future. Did you forget about Crispus Atticks? Just to let you know...Soliders in the continental army (revolution) were on 6-month to 1 year tours. Blacks had to serve at least 4.

Given the story, since blacks had no power (or so we're taught, incorrectly I might add) before Lincoln single handedly freed them...need I go on?