More things to make you say "Hmmm..."

Gato_Solo

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Several weeks ago, Internet pundit Iain Murray described what he called "the new temperance," a movement aimed at curbing America’s alcohol habit.

Murray cited a particularly alarmist and misleading study claiming that "binge drinking" is on the rise.

Murray’s right. There is a new movement afoot, but its objectives go well beyond temperance. By all outward appearances, if the leaders of this new movement get their way, we may be headed for a modified, modernized prohibition.

By now, most of us have probably read about the situation in Fairfax, Va. There, local police have been infiltrating bars, administering Breathalyzer tests, and arresting patrons for "public drunkenness." Those arrested hadn’t incited violence, harassed anyone, gotten behind the wheel of a car, or otherwise made a spectacle of themselves. They were merely having drinks. In a bar.

In a statement reminiscent of last year’s movie Minority Report, Fairfax Police Chief J. Thomas Manger said that the aim of the campaign is to nab drunk drivers before they ever get behind the wheel. "It is illegal to be drunk in a bar," he said, "the only legal place to be drunk is at home."

Noting that patrons had blood-alcohol levels as high as .22, Chuck Hurley of the National Transportation Council said, "Nothing in the Constitution says you’re entitled to be intoxicated at those levels."

Mr. Hurley might want to brush up on the Ninth and Twenty-First Amendments.

But it’s not just in Fairfax. Agitated by the Princeton Review’s recent declaration naming Indiana University the nation’s "top party school," campus police last year began aggressively seeking out and arresting students for walking home drunk. Some were arrested in parking lots just before approaching the door of their apartments. When asked if he’d rather the students drive home, IUPD Lt. Jerry Minger said, "Alcohol abuse is the problem, not the issue of whether or not you are going to drive."

And in Chicago, a city that should know a thing or two about Prohibition, 18 city precincts are now completely dry, ten of them after a ballot referendum last November that closed 42 city businesses.

What’s going on? Why have we succumbed to such a nanny culture?

Part of the problem is that neither of the nation’s two major political parties care much anymore about civil liberties.

While big tobacco and big liquor tend to support Republicans, conservatives have long lacked any moral authority to decry the practice of government dictating personal behavior because of their unwavering support for the drug war. How can the same politicians who say cancer patients ought not be allowed to alleviate their pain with marijuana argue that frat guys should be free to drink themselves under the bar?

And while liberals have long fancied themselves champions of personal freedom, they’ve been too blinded by partisanship to defend the rights of smokers and social drinkers, a position that would benefit two industries that give generously to Republicans.

Such is why bans on smoking in public facilities are on the way or already on the books in Pittsburgh, New York City, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, Indianapolis and the state of California. The county council in Montgomery County, Maryland even attempted to ban smoking in private homes.

Compounding the problem are the revised agendas of once-admirable organizations like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, which carry great moral weight with lawmakers.

Because drunk driving deaths have stabilized over the past five years, MADD -- a mammoth bureaucracy with an annual budget approaching $50 million -- has had to change its tactics to remain relevant, and to keep the donations coming. MADD no longer targets drunk driving, but rather, drinking and driving, a semantic shift that suggests less attention to highway safety and more attention to social prohibition.

In fact, MADD is a vigorous supporter of random roadblock sobriety checks, a tactic used precisely because it catches people who aren’t drunk enough and are driving too cautiously to be pulled over by patrol officers. MADD has also lobbied against allowing drinking on public golf courses, in favor of heavier taxes on beer and liquor, and is pushing for a .05 blood alcohol content limit in Canada, despite studies showing that most fatal drunk driving accidents involve BACs of .14 or higher.

Liberty is rarely lost in wide swaths. Rather, it’s almost always lost gradually. You’re first prohibited from smoking in government buildings, for example. Then in public places where children are present. Then in public places, generally. Soon enough, you’re prohibited from smoking in your own home.

Our longstanding and unapologetic drug war has granted government the power to arrest us for our own private and personal peccadilloes. Nanny-statists have long advocated employing the power of the state to "protect us from ourselves." Together, the two are snuffing out our civil liberties from either side.

And the really sad thing is, it may soon be the case that we can’t even venture to the local tavern to drown our sorrows about it all.

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HeXp£Øi± said:
What’s going on? Why have we succumbed to such a nanny culture?

Sounds like the arguement a drunk teen attempting to be wise would make.

True, but everything in the article is true. Even the law in MD about smoking. ;)
 
They just passed a no smoking in public places law here. It takes effect in June or July...and it goes so far as to say you can't smoke in your own home if you run a business out of it.
Technically, I own my own business. I've decided to exempt myself and allow smoking at my leisure. :D
 
Q said:
They just passed a no smoking in public places law here. It takes effect in June or July...and it goes so far as to say you can't smoke in your own home if you run a business out of it.
Technically, I own my own business. I've decided to exempt myself and allow smoking at my leisure. :D

So if I come to you for some house remodeling, I could sue you for smoking in my presence? What a crock.
 
Great! If it gets ugly...would you want to come down here and picket? :D
 
Perhaps I should open a 'Smokers Only' restaurant? Make it a private club, of course. ;)
 
Damn, looks like I need to find myself a good personal injury lawyer and retire.
 
Gato_Solo said:
So if I come to you for some house remodeling, I could sue you for smoking in my presence? What a crock.
Think about the other side of the coin too. I go to your house to DO the remodelling and now, technically, YOUR HOUSE is my work environment. I could say you can't smoke in your own home.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Perhaps I should open a 'Smokers Only' restaurant? Make it a private club, of course. ;)
That's what the bars around here are planning on doing to get around it. Call themselves a private club, charge a dollar a year dues.:headbang:
 
Gato_Solo said:
Perhaps I should open a 'Smokers Only' restaurant? Make it a private club, of course. ;)

But it would still be a workplace and around here its covered by the Workmans compensation Board ,so you could still be held accountable even if ALL employees agree to the smoking .
 
I go to your house to DO the remodelling and now, technically, YOUR HOUSE is my work environment. I could say you can't smoke in your own home.

That's a ridiculous arguement and one that i'm sure people would actually waste time pondering within the American legal system.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
Sound like American Nazism?
Q, I'll support your rebellion 100%.

to me it is since its about nonsmokers whining and the whole health issue. thats what theyre going by. maybe im the only one thinking 1984??
 
Your rights stop where my rights begin. Smoke where you want, but if a nonsmoker is around he has his right to fresh air, just like you have a right to fresh air.
 
I'll do any fucking thing I want in my own house. You have no rights there.
 
I'm not talking about your house. :) I'm talking in public. In your house, well its your property and if I don't like you smoking I shouldn't be there or something. :)

However, when it comes to minor children, I can see some issues there.
 
when i used to smoke if asked id stop if not id keep on smoking. we both have rights and there is no reason for either side to give up their thing you want fresh air then dont go near us we want it well smoke outside away from you. and Q has a great point. its her house and noone elses(except maybe the hubby)
 
Your $0 tax gives you absolutely no rights as far as my children are concerned.
 
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