More what have we here?

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.

But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects."

They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

  • "Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
  • New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.
  • A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
  • "Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."
  • "Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."

That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."

But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security."

The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents -- much of it added in the last year."

Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading Iraq.

But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with labels written in English?

Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?

In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working order -- but found all the same.

Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for Iraqi WMD scientists.

In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been found.

Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence, in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.

But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like pesticides, which they indeed resemble.

"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles.

What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one large garage in an area the size of the state of California.

WND
 
When information is presented that WMD's certainly do exist in the former dictators bag of goodies, it is cute how the left acts. Exactly as predisposed. Sorry fella's, there is evidence, like it or not.
 
Jerusalem Post said:
Associated Press Apr. 26, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Iraq had chemical weapons and the means to deliver them ahead of last year's US-led invasion, Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon said in an interview published Monday.

Iraq may have transferred the weapons to Syria or buried them in desert sands, Ya'alon said, speaking a month after a parliamentary investigation criticized Israeli intelligence gathering on Iraq.

The parliamentary report found that Israeli warnings that Saddam Hussein could launch weapons of mass destruction were based on speculation and that Israeli authorities had little evidence to support this belief.

The report did not specifically address the issue of whether or not Saddam possessed chemical weapons.

In Monday's interview in the Yediot Ahronot newspaper, Ya'alon said that before the war, Iraq had developed the ability to fit planes with chemical weapons that could have been used against Israel.

"There is no doubt that in the eight months leading up to the war, the Iraqis prepared an ability to deliver by air chemical weapons, at least at us," Ya'alon said.

He said the Iraqis were preparing drones and Russian Tupolev-16 and Sakhoi aircraft to carry dozens or hundreds of kilograms (pounds) of chemical substances.

He said the US military destroyed the planes in the first two days of the war - based on Israeli intelligence information. The chemical weapons, Yaalon said, were more carefully hidden.

"Perhaps they transferred them to another country, such as Syria," Yaalon said. "We very clearly saw that something crossed into Syria. Perhaps, they (the Iraqis) buried them."

The United States cited Iraq's weapons capabilities as justification for the war. But since ousting Saddam last year, inspectors have failed to find chemical or biological weapons.

Yaalon, in tacit criticism of the US operation in Iraq, said he would have carried out searches in Iraq in a "different way than the Americans," but did not elaborate.

Yaalon did not relate to the parliamentary committee's findings.

In the weeks leading up to the war, the Israeli military ordered citizens to unseal gas masks they keep with them on a permanent basis. The decision cost the country millions of dollars, although no missiles were fired on Israel during the war.

In the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at Israel. All had conventional warheads, causing considerable damage but few casualties.
 
In addition, the US led Bunch 'O' Buddies discovered a concealed swimming pool containing thousands of valuable red herrings, which were confiscated and are now being used as currency to barter for continued support for their misled war...
 
Gonz - your first article said that WMD's had been found, and the second that they had *not* been found. Which is it?

I'm still surprised that Bush isn't lauding the *fact* that they've found WMDs in any of his recent speaches. He's had plenty of oppportunity to do so...and no journalist would hide such evidence, especially if coming from a credible source like the President.

I find the first article... speculative at best. The idea that journalists would all join together and hide such a discovery, is laugheable at best...it goes against everything that 'freedom of the press' stands for.
 
gonz, every so often you bring us a right wing 'net daily proclaiming to have definitive proof of wmd finds. so far there has been nothing official from military or government sources on the previous stories. as reputations for accuracy go the hit rate hasn't been outstanding.

i can't imagine blair or bush holding onto this information given the amount of difficulty (blair at least) has got at home as a result of not finding much.

i'll wait for an official release through an established news source to pick it up and give a full story. until then its just hearsay and rumour.
 
You know what the issue is? If you try to get news that's somewhere between the right-wing and the left-wing...every time, all you seem to get is the bird :finger:
 
UPDATE:

The US led Bunch 'O' Buddies has disclosed that, upon further inspection, it appears that many of the red herring that were rescued from a secret pool buried in the dessert had been stabbed, shot, and raped.
 
ris said:
i can't imagine blair or bush holding onto this information given the amount of difficulty (blair at least) has got at home as a result of not finding much.

:grinyes:
 
MrBishop said:
You know what the issue is? If you try to get news that's somewhere between the right-wing and the left-wing...every time, all you seem to get is the bird :finger:
So true.... :grinyes:

Oh, and regarding your articles, Gonz: :bs:
 
You people have so much more faith in teh press than I. What else has been held quiet?

Are the headlines screaming about the mangled & utterly foul smelling oil-for-food program? Every single day there is new & grotesque information about how the UN, Russia, Germany & France, primarily, benefitted by trading with Iraq for the last 10+ years. Had a conservative been President there would be anarchy if we didn't investigate & look for a cover up.

How about the fact that from 20,000 to over 80,000 Jordanians aren't dead due to a terrorists chemical attack. That is almost entirely silent in the western press. Haven't heard about it? Neither had I until yesterday.

I've already passed along many smaller stories of NBC's being found & you all seem to find it irrelevent, probably for teh same reason as the press. You're expecting us to uncover Minute-Man type silo's & I'm looking for 2-Liter Pepsi bottles.

AMMAN, Jordan -- Al-Qaida plotted bomb and poison-gas attacks against the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan, suspects confessed in a videotape broadcast on Jordanian state television. A commentator said the plotters hoped to kill 80,000 people.

Moscow Times
 
I'd certainly hate to see what could be done with the 67.6 fluid ounces of yellowcake that could be fit into one of those.
 
Back
Top