N Korea is next

The US gave Saddam weapons and money, then he didn't followed the game, and now he's an enemy and a threat.....

Same happened with Osama Bin Laden......in the past he was a friend that helped the US against the USSR.

Sounds like Dr. Frankenstein...
 
You know it really interests me that you jump on the first part of that statement and argue about it. I realise it's a patriotic and defensive move and I would do the same if Britain were attacked in that way, but no-one has actually picked up on this:

and that the american people are being systematically excluded by the powers that be from any control over their own government
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... which I find far more worrying, if it's true. Doesn't it worry you that your government may be doing this? So tell me that it isn't and why and I'll feel much happier. Give me facts not fantasies or idealism.
 
Thats what I was referring to, initially, when I said I think we are being herded into a bad situation. Seems they are quickly terminating our rights, or at least diminishing them, in the name of National Security and the "war on terror". It worries me...
 
Yes, they've been passing laws left, right and centre over here too which seem to be doing the same thing. I don't want to live in a totalitarian state where I can be arrested and imprisoned without charge for saying or doing the "wrong" thing, or maybe having material which is deemed "terrorist".

I'm a writer for goodness sake and I chose that genre long before all this crap blew up. How am I supposed to make my fiction believable if I don't know how to make bombs from household materials? I not going to give them the recipes in my books just enough information to make it realistic. I need to know how the security services work for the same reason, but it's becoming more difficult to get that sort of information. How is all this going to affect others in my position? :(
 
And therein lies the power of terrorism....Almost as effective as our high dollar technical weaponry...
 
Since our government is the greatest threat to world peace, does that mean we can bring our troops home from Japan, Germany, France, England, Bolivia, Columbia, Peru, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, and all the other places we are & let your governments make sure we live in a better place?
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The US is only in all those countries ,because it serves their purpose,do you truly believe they are doing it for purely altruistic reasons?



My point is-the world should shit or get off the pot. If we aren't doing a satisfactory job, find someone else ready willing & able.
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The fact is the US is the only one that could do it on its own (and it sometimes acts like it)


I'm not attacking you Gonz ,honest.I just get tired of the US figuring ,because they spend Billions/trillions of dollars on Military that every other country should too .Isn't that what NATO is about a bunch of smaller militaries acting as a Large one if the need arises and thereby spreading the cost around? The fact is if other countries spent $$$ ,the US would feel it necessary to spend even more to keep ahead.


Just my 2cents.
 
You also have to consider the size of the US compared to the rest of us, you're a darn sight bigger and therefore have much more to protect than the rest of us, and also many more men and finances available to do so.

We in the UK, for example, have committed as much as we can without seriously compromising our own internal security as it is - we do not have the same resources as you. Plus we're a darn sight nearer to the action than you guys. We are after all democracies and it's supposedly everyones right to have a say on whether or not we go to war, although it seems pretty inevitable now.

Unfortunately Guerilla Warfare, and lets face isn't that what terrorism is an extention of, is a darn sight harder to fight than "normal" warfare, as you guys discovered in Viet Nam. We've had plenty of experience with the IRA on that front.
 
Getting back to the post topic.Why kick out the inspectors ,if they're are going to start up the plant again anyway and are telling everybody ,why not just do it with the inspectors there? Sounds like alot of SHOW.
 
While I may not agree with war and the reasons for it, when it comes to the crunch I will support and defend my country and I defy you to find any Brit who won't.
 
NATO-only moves when the US okays it. Waits for the US to get it's troops & money involved. In general, not a bad thing but why weren't your guys taking care of Milosevich 10 years ago? Jesus Christ, he was slaughtering civilians in EUROPE & nobody seemed to care or have the cajoñes to stop him. His military was no match for the EU.

UN-general assembly of US hating countries with zero backbone. Personally, I've always supported the UN. I like the theory of it. It's turned out, the realization is the world does nothing without US approval. They may bluster & bluff but in the end, we call the shots. Why? Can't 137 countries take care of some tinpot dictator without the US involvement? Apparently, no.

I'm not saying I don't question authority-in fact, that's my main purpose in life, push the envelope & ask questions that can't, or won't, be answered. I've never supported a war the US was involved in, since WWII, including Desert Storm. I became a "right wing radical" :rolleyes: because it's damned near impossible to find a supporter of the US. Our own people piss & moan. The world decries our involvement in everything. Yet, who is on speed dial #1? I've grown sick of protestations for protests sake. If there is an argumment against what we do, bring it up. At least make it honest. "It's for oil" or "big business is calling the shots" are nice catch phrases & like all propaganda, entirely devoid of truth. Show me a reason to not make war with a murderous, callous dictator who uses chemicals & biolgicals on his own people.

Are we an innocent samaritan? Hell no. We've stuck our noses in more rat holes than even the Kremlin ever thought about. It's politics. It is a game that has to be played. It started when there were two tribes of humans instead of just one. It has no end. Live with it. Hate it & fight it at every turn but accept the inevitable. As some author once wrote & it hit home with me, quoting a British spy-"You yanks know your business but we Brits have forgotten more than you'll ever know." It's a new world order. Somebody has to take command. Why not us?
 
Gonz said:
"You yanks know your business but we Brits have forgotten more than you'll ever know." It's a new world order. Somebody has to take command. Why not us?
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Every empire follows this patter:

Grows in power, has a golden era, then decadence until his destruction.

By seeing the way the US has managed their policies in the last years, i'd say you're already in decadence.
 
Luis G said:
Grows in power, has a golden era, then decadence until his destruction.

By seeing the way the US has managed their policies in the last years, i'd say you're already in decadence.
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We've been in a "golden era" for a century or so now huh? Ups and downs yeah, but overall, we saved the world a few times last century, already starting on number one this century, our standard of living is higher than most of the world, rather prosperous, lots of freedom... yup, definitely "golden age" for a very long time now...
 
Decadence means "not growing, not keeping the golden era", and it might be a slow process. So instead of a golden age for a very long time you could say decadence for a long time.
 
Nobody can keep power forever. While we're the big kid on the block we might as well use it.
 
Gonz said:
Nobody can keep power forever. While we're the big kid on the block we might as well use it.
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So true, unfortunately, it is not used appropiatly every time.
 
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