Nature or nurture

serously, AIDS is mostly spread in africa by truckers who often visit prostitutes. it tends to be sympathetic to them having other infections and sores/leakage to where their wangs are more suceptible to the hivvy than an unblemished weenster.

in canada, it is spread by motorcycle cops.

and in indiana, it is spread by close relatives.
 
On the one hand, perhaps they're overreacting a bit... but on the other hand, if someone took a picture of me standing next to a pool wearing just my speedos and posted it on a gay porn Web site, I might be a little shaken up myself.
 
Inkara1 said:
if someone took a picture of me standing next to a pool wearing just my speedos and posted it on a gay porn Web site, I might be a little shaken up myself.
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First of all, you wear speedos? :eek:

Secondly, if the picture was put on a site where women browsed through pictures of hot guys would you still be as shaken?
 
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There's a guy who is working temporarily at my part time moonlighting job in a quasi-management position. Nice enough feller, no problem with him at all. I've had superficial conversation with him a couple of times, figured out what was up, and went on about my business.

About a week ago, while on shift, he out of the blue and quite casually asked me if I knew any "cute gay guys". I replied that right off hand, no I didn't. He said something or other, intended to be humorous I think, then looked at me and asked, "You did know I'm gay, right?" Like I'm supposed to make a crucifix or whatever. I replied that no, I did not know it but that it wasn't anything to me, we all have a life to live, whatever floats your rubber ducky. Every intention of going on about my business and letting it be. He persists.

"Well, I know you're married so I don't have to worry about offending you. Most of the guys here are single (true) and younger than you (true) and I was kind of afraid to ask them if they knew anybody." I asked how my being married was any insulation against being offended by his choice of lifestyle. Exactly that way...using the wording as typed. He thought about it and said, "I guess it isn't; I never really thought about it like that. It's just that ever since I turned gay I find that most of the time married people are more tolerent of it." I asked how long he'd been gay. He said about 8 years. He's 31.

Nature? I don't think so, Ellen.

It gets better. Last night I learned that about 2/3 of the staff have asked not to be scheduled with him because he's gay. These are the young, single, open minded people. Male and female alike, they don't want to work with the gay guy. I was asked if I had a problem with working with him. The unspoken undertone was that the effort was on to get rid of him. I replied that I had no problem whatsoever with the guy.

Homophobic? I don't think so, Ellen.

Just another stab at busting preconceived stereotypes. Carry on.

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I've had friends that're gay, and had friends that're gay-bashers.. I've had friends that are black, and friends that are black-bashers, too.

But wanna know what's cool? When ya got yer son, in pre-school, has friends that he hangs out with, doesn't even SEE what color they is, or whether the little tyke has 6 toes or dual-genitalia, or whatever. They're just buddies. I usually try to follow that path, not as successfully as a blind four-year old - but I try...
 
loon_B4ll00N said:
I've had friends that're gay, and had friends that're gay-bashers.. I've had friends that are black, and friends that are black-bashers, too.
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BTDT, got the t-shirt. This is just another re-hash of the same argument. Those who say its nature usually flip-flop when confronted with possibilities of 'cures'...

loon said:
But wanna know what's cool? When ya got yer son, in pre-school, has friends that he hangs out with, doesn't even SEE what color they is, or whether the little tyke has 6 toes or dual-genitalia, or whatever. They're just buddies. I usually try to follow that path, not as successfully as a blind four-year old - but I try...
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As they get older, though, they change. Older children and parents tend to color their views and attempt to 'normalize' them. In most cases, it is successful.
 
loon_B4ll00N said:
But wanna know what's cool? When ya got yer son, in pre-school, has friends that he hangs out with, doesn't even SEE what color they is, or whether the little tyke has 6 toes or dual-genitalia, or whatever. They're just buddies. I usually try to follow that path, not as successfully as a blind four-year old - but I try...
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That is because prejudice is not natural. It is nurtured by outside forces be they friends, family, or self induced prejudice because a <insert group> beat me up so all <insert group> are bad because of that experience.
 
jimpeel said:
That is because prejudice is not natural. It is nurtured by outside forces be they friends, family, or self induced prejudice because a <insert group> beat me up so all <insert group> are bad because of that experience.
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Now that brings up an interesting question.

I agree that prejudice, in its current definition, is not a naturally occurring phenomenon; that it is learned behavior. I want that stated up front.

Now that we are all on the same playing field...what about self-induced segregation? Lemme preach on it.

Go into any public gathering you like where a mix of races/genders/whatever are likely to be found. College classroom, workplace cafeteria, high school sporting event, church, food court at the mall, doesn't really matter, just pick one. Arrive early, and take a seat in the rear that affords a full view of the entire room. Observe what you see. People will segregate themselves. Almost every time. Why?

I think I know why for the record, I just wanna see what y'all think.
 
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