Not even in their own memory

SouthernN'Proud

Southern Discomfort
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The NAACP has drafted two Illinois senators in its crusade to prevent officials from flying a Confederate flag at the dedication of a memorial to Confederate dead in central Illinois, reports the Journal-Register.

The memorial is being built at Camp Butler National Cemetery near Riverton, the site of a prison camp for Confederate soldiers. Some 866 Confederate soldiers died there during the war.

Illinois' senators Barack Obama and Dick Durbin have asked federal officials to bar display of the stars and bars at the memorial.

"We, along with the NAACP and many Americans, believe that the Confederate flag has become more than an historic battle standard; for millions of Americans it is a symbol of slavery and segregation," the senators said in a letter to the director of the National Cemetery Administration.

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What a sad day indeed. Like it or not, defend it or not, thousands upon thousands of people died for the ideals symolized by the Confederate battle flag, as well as the other official flags of the Confederacy. I have several ancestors among them, including a great-great-great uncle who was lynched on his own property by a band of invading union soldiers who happened across him wearing his uniform (likely the best clothes he owned) and working on his own farm to provide for his family while on leave from his regimen. They forced his family to watch at gunpoint. So much for high ideals.

These men are war heroes by any definition. They deserve to be memorialized. They do not deserve to be dissected by the PC knife of four future generations. I have seen the flags of many other nations fly here in my hometown for special events, and nary a speck of trauma has it caused me. Not one person alive today was a slave in this country. I fail to see how giving these men a proper meorial is hurting anyone. I'm sure several of you will jump through your assholes to TELL me what a trauma it is though.

Jump away. When you repeat something you heard elsewhere that I haven't heard before I'll be sure and let you know.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Not one person alive today was a slave in this country.

Errrr, umm.

There was that time I was in Vermont when I was 19 .... But she let me go after a week.
 
Right, obviously your ancestors heritage is more important than black ancestors heritage.

Not one person alive today was a slave in this country.
Not one person alive today was a confederate soldier.
 
Y'know, topics like this make me wonder something. Just how many "confederates" were actually slavers.

Probably about as many german soldiers were war criminals.
 
Professur said:
Y'know, topics like this make me wonder something. Just how many "confederates" were actually slavers.

Probably about as many german soldiers were war criminals.

Fewer, both in number and in percentage.

It wasn't the issue. Both sides conceded that before the first shot was fired.
 
Originally Posted by SouthernN'Proud
Not one person alive today was a slave in this country.
no not now. My uncle had a slave until he died about 20 years ago.
The guy didn't want to be free. He had it made, and he knew it.
He died about 8 years ago himself, and his family to this day would do just
about anything for our family.
I'm a "Damn" yankee, but I'll fly that flag whenever I damn well please, and
not the old state flag either.....The regular battle flag.
 
catocom said:
The guy didn't want to be free. He had it made, and he knew it.
He died about 8 years ago himself, and his family to this day would do just
about anything for our family.

You realize, of course, that you just spake heresy. All the stories like this one are fictionalized propoganda created by racist hatemongers. No amount of authentic documentation will ever change that fact either.

Welcome to the dark side...I was gettin' a mite lonely.
 
These men are war heroes by any definition. They deserve to be memorialized. They do not deserve to be dissected by the PC knife of our future generations.

In case you didn't know it, this is the way history actually gets written (and rewritten ad nauseum). Each successive generation rewrites history to a greater or lesser extent to reflect their sensibilities. It has been happening for millenia.
 
We still disagree on the meaning of that flag but I'll fight alongside on the right to fly it...
 
Gonz said:
We still disagree on the meaning of that flag but I'll fight alongside on the right to fly it...

And that sentiment, right there, is the very fabric of what this whole country should be about.
 
I'll defend your right to be wrong to the...

no wait!

yer on yer own thar buddy!
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Some help I can do without, tinky... :lloyd:

I'll help you, then.

1. Some folks fly the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of their heritage. Some use it as a symbol of racism and hate. For the second sentence, most folks want to say that all people who fly that particular flag are racist.
2. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it forbid the flying of a 'foreign' flag over 'foreign' areas, such as graveyards and such, as an honor to those who died for that 'foreign' cause.

Ergo...they have a right to fly their particular flag either on private property, or on public property provided that the property in question has either a symbolic, or historical, significance. Now...I may not agree with the sentiments of those flying that particular flag. Hell...I may outright dislike said person...but to deny him/her their right to self-expression, I open myself up to the same denial both in the present and in the future. Therefore...in the long run...isn't in my best interests to see to it that his rights are not infringed upon so that mine will also be protected?
 
And some people fly the durn thang to
proclaim their resistance to having the crap other
people try to shove down their throats:

you know forced desegregation
fag marriage
desecration of the church
or that lil anti-American tub-o-lard Natalie Maines
 
Gato_Solo said:
I'll help you, then.

1. Some folks fly the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of their heritage. Some use it as a symbol of racism and hate. For the second sentence, most folks want to say that all people who fly that particular flag are racist.
2. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it forbid the flying of a 'foreign' flag over 'foreign' areas, such as graveyards and such, as an honor to those who died for that 'foreign' cause.

Ergo...they have a right to fly their particular flag either on private property, or on public property provided that the property in question has either a symbolic, or historical, significance. Now...I may not agree with the sentiments of those flying that particular flag. Hell...I may outright dislike said person...but to deny him/her their right to self-expression, I open myself up to the same denial both in the present and in the future. Therefore...in the long run...isn't in my best interests to see to it that his rights are not infringed upon so that mine will also be protected?

Around here it's one of 3 things...
1.) heritage
2.) It's a kkk
or 3 and mostly around here, and why I fly it most times (but not for a while)
is simply a sign of Rebellion. (mostly from local gov., but periodically fed)
 
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