Obama furthers moral toptiude, hastens Armageddon!

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Obama holds gay pride reception, vows to overturn 'unjust laws'


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama honored Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month with a White House reception Monday where he likened the struggle for gay rights with the struggle of African-Americans for civil rights.
President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama entertain Monday in the White House's East Room.

President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama entertain Monday in the White House's East Room.

With first lady Michelle Obama at his side, the president told the cheering crowd filling the East Room that his administration would work to repeal the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding gays in the military.

"I know that many in this room don't believe that progress has come fast enough, and I understand that," Obama said. "It's not for me to tell you to be patient any more than it was for others to counsel patience to African-Americans who were petitioning for equal rights a half-century ago."

The "don't ask, don't tell" policy bars military officials from asking about a service member's sexual orientation but also bars the service member from revealing it, and allows the dismissal of a service member if a same-sex orientation is discovered.

"I believe preventing patriotic Americans from serving their country weakens our national security," Obama said to applause. Ending the policy requires an act of Congress and will take time, he added.

The Defense of Marriage Act effectively bars the federal government from recognizing same-sex unions, even as individual states legalize them. It is one of the most divisive political issues in America, strongly backed by conservatives -- particularly the religious right.

"We have a duty to uphold existing law, but I believe we must do so in a way that does not exacerbate old divides," Obama said. "And fulfilling this duty in upholding the law in no way lessens my commitment to reversing this law."
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He also is pushing for passage of a law guaranteeing full benefits including health care for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender couples and their children, as well as bills to strengthen laws against hate crimes and prevent employment discrimination based on sexuality, Obama said.

"There are unjust laws to overturn and unfair practices to stop," he said. "And though we've made progress, there are still fellow citizens -- perhaps neighbors or even family members and loved ones -- who still hold fast to worn arguments and old attitudes, who fail to see your families like their families and who would deny you the rights that most Americans take for granted. And I know this is painful, and I know it can be heartbreaking."

Obama cited the roots of the gay rights struggle in the Stonewall riot 40 years ago, when police raided a New York nightclub and sparked a demonstration that lasted for days.

"As we've seen so many times in history, once that spirit takes hold, there's little that can stand in its way," he said to cheers that turned to laughs when he added: "The truth is, when these folks protested at Stonewall 40 years ago, no one could have imagined that you or, for that matter, I would be standing here today."

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Man I don't envy the guy on this issue on the one hand you have people who have lesser rights, on the other hand you have a crapload of people who can't mind their own business and it's all political capital. If Obama doesn't do something in the way of helping the Gay rights situation I certainly will lose some respect.
 
Marriage rights, I have no issue with.

But "hate crime" classification with increased punishment, and affirmative action type policies definitely cross the line.

If a violent crime is committed against me, is it less of a crime because I am a heterosexual, white, non-immigrant male? That's what the law says.

You can have equal treatment, and you can have preferential treatment, but you can't have both. If you want to be treated equally, then do not ask for special privileges.
 
Marriage rights, I have no issue with.

But "hate crime" classification with increased punishment, and affirmative action type policies definitely cross the line.

If a violent crime is committed against me, is it less of a crime because I am a heterosexual, white, non-immigrant male? That's what the law says.

You can have equal treatment, and you can have preferential treatment, but you can't have both. If you want to be treated equally, then do not ask for special privileges.

In a rare moment I suppose I'd have to agree with you. The hate crimes should carry no special punishment but I think some extra effort should be put into reporting such stories as it is educational (hopefully) to younger generations.
 
In a rare moment I suppose I'd have to agree with you. The hate crimes should carry no special punishment but I think some extra effort should be put into reporting such stories as it is educational (hopefully) to younger generations.

Special treatment for "minorities" of any type can only serve to further divide the public. By making a distinction, good or bad, you negatively impact relations between two social groups, and that's where I feel many minority advocacy groups have gone too far. It's all fine and dandy to say you want to be able to go to the same schools, or to get legally married, or any of that, but the minute you demand that your group gets special benefits or compensation, or you support a political candidate based solely on race or gender, or demand reparations for historical events, you've become just as bad as the people who treated you as inferior.
 
Special treatment for "minorities" of any type can only serve to further divide the public. By making a distinction, good or bad, you negatively impact relations between two social groups, and that's where I feel many minority advocacy groups have gone too far. It's all fine and dandy to say you want to be able to go to the same schools, or to get legally married, or any of that, but the minute you demand that your group gets special benefits or compensation, or you support a political candidate based solely on race or gender, or demand reparations for historical events, you've become just as bad as the people who treated you as inferior.

Tell that to the Indians! I am not sure where I stand on tribal rights, I suppose for them to be under only federal law is all well and good, but we had a big to-do a while back about a tribe that wanted to hunt whales in violation of international law I think, at least our law. They let them do it too, and that was huge controversy. I am all for them having the casinos and fishing rights I suppose but I grew up around a lot of them and while most are pretty decent folk, some really have an attitude of entitlement and bigotry.
 
There are quite a few similarities.

I agree. And I'm nervous about what the gay movement will become after it's won gay rights... will they be like the NAACP, boycotting NASCAR because they don't have anything worthwhile to do anymore?
 
What really irks the shit out of me is why they cannot settle for civil unions, with all the rights of marriage but only not called a marriage. To some of them that is an outrageous and terrible idea. To me its good sense as it appeases everyone as best as is possible. No they have to rub marriages in peoples face who object to it. While I think that those who object are being stupid and petty, two wrongs still don't make a right.
 
because they don't have anything worthwhile to do anymore?

There's plenty for them to do. It's not like racism has been wiped out.

What really irks the shit out of me is why they cannot settle for civil unions, with all the rights of marriage but only not called a marriage.

I say let only Jewish people should be able to call their relationships "marriage". Everyone else should settle for civil unions.
 
What really irks the shit out of me is why they cannot settle for civil unions, with all the rights of marriage but only not called a marriage. To some of them that is an outrageous and terrible idea. To me its good sense as it appeases everyone as best as is possible. No they have to rub marriages in peoples face who object to it. While I think that those who object are being stupid and petty, two wrongs still don't make a right.



How about, we give "marriage" back to the churches where it belongs, and make every 'legal' or 'state' joined couple a civil union?
 
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