Oiling the Wheels of War

Luis G

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As the United States gears up for an invasion of Iraq, the great unanswered question continues to be: Why is the Bush Administration so determined to topple a government that has been effectively contained by American power for eleven years?

The White House has offered several reasons to justify an attack on Iraq--Saddam Hussein is on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons; an invasion is needed to prevent the transfer of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to international terrorists, and so on. Another factor, however, may be of equal importance--oil. Two key concerns underlie the Administration's thinking: First, the United States is becoming dangerously dependent on imported petroleum to meet its daily energy requirements, and, second, Iraq possesses the world's largest reserves of untapped petroleum after Saudi Arabia.

The problem of growing US dependence on imported petroleum was first raised in the National Energy Policy Report, released by the White House in May 2001. Known as "the Cheney report," after its principal author, the Vice President, the document revealed that imported supplies accounted for half of US oil consumption in 2000 and will jump to two-thirds in 2020. And despite all the talk of drilling in Alaska, the report makes one thing clear: Most of America's future oil supplies will have to come from the Persian Gulf countries, which alone possess sufficient production potential to meet ever-growing US energy requirements. Thus, the report calls on the White House to place a high priority on increasing US access to Persian Gulf supplies.

Growing worries about the stability of Saudi Arabia, principal US supplier there, heightened by revelations of Saudi extremists' involvement in the September 11 terror attacks, have prompted US strategists to seek a backup should future instability lead to a drop in Saudi oil production, which could trigger a global recession. Some strategists have proposed Russia as a backup, others the Caspian Sea states of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. But only one country has the capacity to substantially increase oil production in the event of a Saudi collapse: Iraq. With proven reserves of 112 billion barrels of oil (compared with 49 billion for Russia and 15 billion for the Caspian states), Iraq alone can serve as a backup for Saudi Arabia. At the same time, control over Iraqi oil would allow US leaders to more easily ignore Saudi demands for US action on behalf of the Palestinians and would weaken OPEC's control over oil prices.

Iraq has yet another key attraction for US oil strategists: Whereas most of Saudi Arabia's major fields have already been explored and claimed, Iraq possesses vast areas of promising but unexplored hydrocarbon potential. These fields may harbor the world's largest remaining reservoir of unmapped and unclaimed petroleum--far exceeding the untapped fields in Alaska, Africa and the Caspian. Whoever gains possession of these fields will exercise enormous influence over the global energy markets of the twenty-first century.

Knowing this, and seeking allies for his confrontation with Washington, Saddam Hussein has begun to parcel out concessions to the most promising fields to oil firms in Europe, Russia and China. According to the International Energy Agency's World Energy Outlook for 2001, he has already awarded such contracts for fields with an estimated potential of 44 billion barrels of oil--an amount equal to the total reserves of the United States, Canada and Norway (the number-one European producer) combined. At current rates of about $25 per barrel, that makes these contracts worth an estimated $1.1 trillion.

And here's the rub: The Iraqi dissidents chosen by Washington to lead the new regime in Baghdad have threatened to cancel all contracts awarded to firms in countries that fail to assist in the overthrow of Saddam. "We will review all of these agreements," said the head of the London office of the Iraqi National Congress (a dissident umbrella group backed by the United States), and those signed by Saddam Hussein will be considered invalid unless endorsed by the new government. Not surprisingly, US oil firms are expected to be awarded most of the Hussein-era contracts voided by the successor regime.

This could prove to be the biggest oil grab in modern history, providing hundreds of billions of dollars to US oil firms--many linked to senior officials in the Bush Administration--and helping to avert a future energy crunch in the United States. But is oil worth spilling the blood of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians who get caught in the way? This is the question Congress must ask if we are to have an honest debate on the merits of invading Iraq.

Source here
 
Because since 9/11 we take our blinders off and see the world for what it is.
Because un sactions are the issue, not containment.
Because Iraqi children are starving to death in the face of un sanctions that haven't been effective in ridding him of his weapons.
Because he still spouts the same threats against us.
 
i assume you didn't read the rest of the article or you just ignored the OIL part (5/6 of the article)
 
No i read the first paragraph and assumed i knew what the entire article said. Was i foolish in doing so?(I'm trying to clean house for a big party tonight)
Ok so you caught me, i'll go back and read the rest.
 
Nothing shocking here. It comes down to wether you actually believe we're doing this for oil. Those who actually believe this will not be convinced otherwise. I don't believe it. Although i do see the positive that will come of it, and agree that it will most definetly be good for Americas oil mongers. I don't believe it's the reason why we'll be going in. I have little to benifit from this oil, and yet i feel there are plenty of good reasons to go in.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
It comes down to wether you actually believe we're doing this for oil. Those who actually believe this will not be convinced otherwise.

And those who doesn't believe this will not be convinced otherwise as well.

IMO, oil is the main reason behind this "war on Irak".
 
A few points:

  • 1) The oil was first discovered and developed by western countries. It was stolen by Arab governments when they nationalized the oil fields.

    2) Oil is used to finance Saddam's war machine, and fund his quest for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

    3) From the article you quoted, it is apparent that Saddam is using oil to bribe countries into opposing our war against him.

    4) Oil is used to finance Islamic terrorism.

    5) Arab countries have attempted to blackmail us before by cutting back on the supply of oil. They have used oil as a weapon against us. We have always relied on market pressure to fight back against this tactic.

    6) Americans are perfectly willing and able to pay for oil at market prices. We do not need to steal oil from anyone.

This war is first and foremost about Saddam's agressive stance towards the US and his determination to acquire a weapon that he can use against us. Oil is a factor because it has been used as a weapon against us. When Saddam has been defeated, I and other Americans will still be paying (roughly) the same amount for a gallon of gas. The benefit will be that the people who own the oil fields will (hopefully) not be hostile to the US, and won't be using the oil to finance a war against us.
 
Bravo Ardsgaine!
One point that i've made to many people is that even 'if' bushes primary interests were oil, it still wouldn't change the facts. The only thing that's going to happen really is that this oil will actually benifit the Iraqi people. We could've had all the access to Saddams oil that we wanted over the past eleven years, we simply chose not to support Saddam &amp; his war machine.
 
I believe that it stems from Iraq being a money pipline arming and supporting the terrorist camps that make the suicide bombing runs, exploding Moscow theaters, World Trade Center... bla, bla. If they were only sought to kill themsleves like they did from the mid40s to the mid 80s, the western world wouldnt give a rats ass.... like the mid 40s to mid 80s. We were content to just toss money at the odd dictatorship and CIA coup. Once the whole Beirut thing in the early 80s got out of hand, the kernel of exported assaults started to take place. Thats cool. They wanted to expand the scope of the attacks and gain a little high publicity and momentum at the same time. Thats cool too. Just don't think that we plan on sitting still. Action is met reaction and so on and so forth. The only that oil comes into it is that its the source of their limitless income. The west doesnt need that oil. The US can live on its own reserves. The price will jump about 50 cents a gallon. Its happend before. It will happen again.
 
Luis G said:
And those who doesn't believe this will not be convinced otherwise as well.

IMO, oil is the main reason behind this "war on Irak".

You're going to believe anything that casts America in a bad light. No surprise there. :rolleyes:

When it comes down to it, Luis, the reason we're going to attack Iraq is because our government officials are pussies. They're too afraid of world opinion to simply launch a war against all the terrorist-sponsoring Arab countries of the middle east at the same time. They've chosen someone who they thought would be a fairly easily accepted target, both at home and abroad, since he's been defying UN sanctions for the past 11 years. IMO, they're hoping that by toppling Iraq, the Iranian government will topple to pro-western factions within their country. That would (hopefully) create a bloc of pro-western governments to balance against countries like Syria and Libya. The Saudis would then either have to do something about the radicals in their country, or risk being taken down too.

IMO, Iraq is going to be a toe-hold, a beachhead for an on-going war in the middle east.

Will it work? I doubt it. It's fundamentally an ideological war, and it's being waged by a president who is frightened of being caught expressing an ideological point of view. Instead of installing a constitutional republic that protects individual rights in Iraq we'll end up with some home-grown, corrupt, fascist dictatorship that will turn on us the first time we politely suggest that perhaps they shouldn't torture quite so many people in a week.
 
unclehobart said:
The US can live on its own reserves. The price will jump about 50 cents a gallon. Its happend before. It will happen again.

If we could stuff all the environmentalists in oil barrels and drop them in the ocean, the rise in oil prices would just spur greater exploration and exploitation of oil here at home. The damn Gulf of Mexico is full of oil, but the tree huggers won't let the oil companies drill for it. There are thousands of gallons of oil seeping out of the ocean bed through fissures in the rock every day, but if an oil tanker spills a gallon here or there it's destroying the environment. It's ludicrous. I guess, thanks to the greenies, two hundred years from now when the middle east finally runs out of oil, the US will be the only country with any left. Of course, by that time we'll either be driving nuclear powered cars or digging grubs out of the ground with a stick, but whatever...
 
We dont need to explore. Weve got 80-90 years of resreves on hand as it is. The .50 spike is what it takes for the Texas and Oklahoma operations to break out of mothball status.
 
I still don't understand why none of the hawks in this forum have called for the US to erase Saudi Arabia. Weren't 15 of the 19 9-1-1 terrorists Saudi? Could it be that we don't mind the terrorism as much as the attitude about US oil interests? Hmmmm...Shame on those of us who dare to form a real thought instead of just joining the pep rally.
 
Squiggy said:
I still don't understand why none of the hawks in this forum have called for the US to erase Saudi Arabia. Weren't 15 of the 19 9-1-1 terrorists Saudi? Could it be that we don't mind the terrorism as much as the attitude about US oil interests? Hmmmm...Shame on those of us who dare to form a real thought instead of just joining the pep rally.

Cool!! Then you support expanding the war to include Saudi Arabia? Welcome aboard...
 
I'm sure there was. Thats where common sense would have, and should have, taken most of us. But the "Pep Rally" seems to have led everyone away from the facts and the Saudis get to laugh at us now....as they smile and appease us with oil. And still, the thought that "its about oil" evades the cheerleaders. Wake up. It is about oil.
 
Squiggy said:
I'm sure there was. Thats where common sense would have, and should have, taken most of us. But the "Pep Rally" seems to have led everyone away from the facts and the Saudis get to laugh at us now....as they smile and appease us with oil. And still, the thought that "its about oil" evades the cheerleaders. Wake up. It is about oil.

What I've learned from this thread:

If we attack a country that has lots of oil, like Iraq, that means it's about oil.

If we don't attack a country that has lots of oil, like Saudi Arabia, that means it's about oil.
 
I would be cool with leaving the whole region to rot until the end of time just as long as we can be sure that all of the Islamist terror cells would just go home and stay home. They can terrorize their own all they wish, smash the tvs and radios and disney merchandise, no more medicines from the UN. Let them drop back a century technologywise. All nations should simply stop buying from them tomorrow. Canada, the US, Venezuela, Russia, Mexico can pick up the slack with the oil.
 
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