Once hostilities start

Gonz

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We need to not jump on every good kill, bad kill story that pops up. Agreed? There will be lots of mis-information. Iraq may kill their own & blame us or we may have a missile strike a hospital, so can we get along for, ughm lemme think, 3 or 4 days?

first shots already fired but not what I meant

THE first shots of the war have been fired, killing at least one Iraqi during a suspected operation to mine the waters off Kuwait. But that opening skirmish is about to be dwarfed by the most formidable military assault in modern warfare: 250,000 British and American troops — backed by more than 1,000 aircraft, 400 tanks and a 110-strong armada — are poised to unleash their awesome power on Saddam Hussein’s Iraq the moment the order is given.
The first clash occurred in the mouth of the Khawr al-Zubayr river, a few miles south of the port of Umm Qasr, when a Kuwaiti gunboat challenged a flotilla of about 25 Iraqi dhows. The boats failed to respond and the Kuwaitis opened fire. It was unclear whether the dhows had laid any mines.

The Royal Navy has four mine counter-measure vessels in the Gulf which were searching the waterway last night.

Tensions in the waters off Iraq are running high and coalition ships are alert to the threat of mines and terrorist strikes. A British ship escorting Royal Navy and US minesweepers was threatened yesterday while at anchor in the northern Gulf. A cargo vessel, feared to be on an al-Qaeda suicide mission, came within 800 yards of RFA Sir Bedivere during a tense hour-long stand-off. Crew members trained two machineguns on the 500-tonne ship, The stand-off ended only when it was driven away by the heavily armed USS Ardent.
 
Why do I suspect you're holding something back here? Sounds like they could have been defectors trying to escape Iraq. :eek6:
 
I fully understand the consequence of war. Which was one of the reasons I wasn't in a hurry. Especially against the wrong target. That said, be ready to feel shame as its deserved. The same as you cheer for our victories. You don't get a free pass on selective conduct.
 
Umm... Squig, there's a big difference in accidental civilian deaths, in which case we should all be sad and somewhat ashamed, and misinformation by Iraq claiming such when it didn't happen.

Gonz is saying that there will likely be lots of misinformation spread by Hussein, and we should be aware of that so we don't jump head first into every "US bomb kills 3000 hospitalized civilians" headline.
 
Saddam won't be spreading that much misinformation as he'll be dead within a few weeks. I have little doubt about this. He's not going to go running off to the mountains and he won't leave the side of the republican guard. He'll probably find his doom within Bagdad or en route to some other city.
That is, unless he's already gone.
 
Just FYI, any and all journalists remaining in Iraq have been required to remain at the Iraqi news agency. A reinforced building housing the national TV station, with AA guns on the roof. A building which is considered a significant military target.
 
any and all journalists remaining in Iraq have been required to remain at the Iraqi news agency.
What would be the point in being there? I really hope they get some better footage then they did in the last gulf war.
 
Professur said:
Just FYI, any and all journalists remaining in Iraq have been required to remain at the Iraqi news agency. A reinforced building housing the national TV station, with AA guns on the roof. A building which is considered a significant military target.
HeXp£Øi± said:
What would be the point in being there? I really hope they get some better footage then they did in the last gulf war.

Doesn't sound like they're going to get much footage at all, Hex. You can't just leave a building that has AA on the roof alone.
 
The point is that they'll only be allowed to pass on information that the Iraqi news agency lets them have. And they won't be out there talking to the scared public, passing along news from outside Iraq. News like the Republican Guard surrendering, Saddam running like a scared rabbit, weapons of mass destruction being found.


That sort of stuff.
 
Where's Bernie when we need him?

If they can't pass along "free" news then Hex has a great point. Why are they there?
 
Professur said:
Friendly fire stories are fair game, tho.

Ok, you can post about them if you will, but...

This is a war. Friendly fire, although regrettable, and sometimes really, really stupid, does happen.
 
One things for sure, the military is going to allow more journalists more access this time. Many of the military higher-ups were dissapointed that they didn't allow more access the last time around as they were so efficiant. As for thesolo jounalists in Bagdad, i probably wouldn't want to be out alone on the streets either.
 
Iraq only has about two hundred tanks and i doubt they've improved with age. Besides, they proved the last time they can't hit anything. They actually flanked one of our tank units in desert storm yet we had the time to turn around and destroy them all even though we were outnumbered 2-1.
 
The americans are desperate for a justification for this war. They couldn't get it in the UN for weapons violations, so now they need it from the Iraqi public. They need to show happy, free Iraqis. They need to show soldiers surrendering. They need to show Saddam as a tyrant who's people hate him, if and when they're not afraid to be shot. And they need journalists there to document each and everything they do to prove that they're not responsible for the terrorist acts Saddam is sure to inflict on his own people to make them fear the american coming. Like the taliban did, poisoning UN humanitarian food drops.
 
The only justification needed:

He surrendered & agreed to terms which he did not fulfill.

He supports terrorism.

He's killed more than 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians.

The rest is politics.
 
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