Once hostilities start

Politics is the most powerful force in the known world.

I remind you that treaty or not, he is still the duly elected head of a sovriegn nation. And the US is getting a name for removing heads of state. With UN support, it can be said that the world is backing that action, and that the US is simply carrying out the will of the people. But that's not the case here. Sure, if France had shut the fuck up, they probably would have won UN approval. But they didn't. And now they're going on without. That's a dangerous precident to set. Other countries are gonna be worried. And anyone with a vested interest in the middle east is gonna be against it.
 
They need to show happy, free Iraqis.
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I hope they don't plan on seeing any smiling faces in Baghdad. We'll win decisive battles in most places but the cities will probably turn ugly.
 
Professur said:
Politics is the most powerful force in the known world.
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True. Until you add this

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and have 280 million pissed off and a a leader who is willing to do something to stop it's follow-up.
 
On the world wide stage, that's old news. Might as well listen to Japanese complain about the US having nukes because of Hiroshima.
 
Then the world better get used to it or hop aboard. This is far from being finished.
 
It's definetely not the same if you're not an American. I won't feel justice is being done until we begin wipe out all the radical muslim schools in Saudi Arabia and other nations. Afghanistan isn't enough and Iraq is slightly off the mark.
 
Don't several states still refuse to teach evolution? Isn't that a form of radical christianity? Aren't white suppremist groups allowed to thrive within US borders? Don't you have people going door to door pestering you to change your religion to theirs, and threatening you with eternal damnation if ou don't?

Radical christianity is alive and well, my friend. How can you justify attacking someone else's radical views? Isn't it a core part of your charter that everyone. Everyone has the right to whatever form of religion they choose?
 
In their eyes, it's much worse, isn't it?

My point is that extremists exist all over. Muslims are just the latest, loudest, and most technologically advanced. And most ruthless. Instead of trying to stamp them out, we need to understand their goals, and motivations. Only by dealing with their motivations can we ever put an end to this mess. Muscle won't do more than delay them.

You can't solve a problem until you understand it. Take a fire for example. How do you put out a fire? You throw water on it, right? The means to put out a wood fire will just spread a chemical fire, right? And throwing water on an electrical fire will get you electrocuted.

Well, force may have solved things in the past. But that was the past. Now, today, we need a more complex solution. And we can't be seen to be forcing it on them. That's where most of the problems are starting from. US arrogance and powermongering. We need to remove power from the radical leaders, not remove them from power. A wise man on a soapbox becomes a leader. A fool on a soapbox is ignored. We need to stop making those fools into wisemen.

More importantly, we need to change what the children are being taught. A child taught that westerners are evil and that God will love them if they kill the evil americans is going to want to kill americans. That girl that was just found, what'shername. Prime example. Only miles from home. Within hearing range of searchers. Walking in crowds, for God's sake. And under the spell of a lunatic. Imagine what people like that can do with a family's, or a nation's blessings.

That's the enemy. Saddam is just a symptom.
 
I believe in freedom of speech, that does not include the fundamentals of making a belt bomb or schools/groups that incite violence. You can't get away with it in our world and you shouldn't be able to in theirs.
 
My point is that extremists exist all over. Muslims are just the latest, loudest, and most technologically advanced. And most ruthless. Instead of trying to stamp them out, we need to understand their goals, and motivations. Only by dealing with their motivations can we ever put an end to this mess. Muscle won't do more than delay them.

You can't solve a problem until you understand it. Take a fire for example. How do you put out a fire? You throw water on it, right? The means to put out a wood fire will just spread a chemical fire, right? And throwing water on an electrical fire will get you electrocuted.
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Are you sure? You just might not like the conclusion you draw. A young/middle-aged well to do happy healthy Muslim feels that you have disgraced his god because your ancestors defeated his ancestors out for the land and the only way for his god to save face is for him to kill you. As if god couldn't defend himself. Don't kid yourself, Bush doesn't tell us the first thing about the way many of these extremists(not Arabs) tick. and by the way most do not think like Usama Bin Laden. He is something even more extreme, rare and more like our politicians than other extremist muslims in that they are power hungry as apposed to simple religous fundamentalists
 
Professur said:
Instead of trying to stamp them out, we need to understand their goals, and motivations.
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I see the thought behind this & somewhat agree. On the other hand, kill 'em now & let God sort 'em out makes even more sense.
 
Hex, every day I have to deal with people who haven't gotten over losing to the English on the Plains of Abraham.
 
I just heard on the radio from your local CNN affiliate. Pilots have been told to get some sleep. It's gonna be a busy night.

Reports of 15 surrenders already. Not a shot fired yet.
 
Now Prof...you know the whole Quebec seperation and Bill 101 thing goes far beyond all of that....or rather...it stems from the aftermath of that event. It's more similar to Apartheid than Iraq.
 
And Bish, you know that most seperatists haven't got a clue why they want to seperate. They're sheep.


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Gonz said:
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saddam had better run

Small, highly mobile units, the US Delta Force, picked from the US Army’s most revered and secretive fighting force have been assigned a key mission of the war: to hunt down Saddam, his two sons and at least a “dirty dozen” of Iraq’s top military and civilian leaders.
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Times Online
 
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