greenfreak said:
Why wouldn't a responsible pet owner provide their pet with a collar just for such circumstances? Why shouldn't cat owners be in direct control of their cat like all other pet owners are supposed to be?
clearly you’ve never had a cat (that you’ve cared about at least). Clearly you aren’t too familiar with the laws of statistics. Even the best most caring pet owners can lose control of their pets for the 5 seconds it takes someone to lock load and blow up a 6 pound feline with a bushmaster. This is good enough for you? Last time I checked skunks weren’t the second most common pet. Nor were raccoons or field mice. So if someone shoots one of those the likelihood of it being someones pet is rather remote. While the chance that a cat strolling through your backyard in a suburb IS someones pet and NOT a feral cat.
Too many cat owners don't exhibit any control over their pet. Mostly because they are lazy and see cats as low-maintenance animals that allow them to be irresponsible.
oh well then heres a good solution. Lets shoot them! Great thinking. A lot of parents are lazy and had kids because they were horny and don’t exhibit any control over them either. Can I go to the mall with a couple shot guns and pick em off when they have tantrums in public?
If the cats don't have collars, and that's where they go, you're right. They probably will.
well clearly youre fine with killing peoples pets then. what a pathetic outlook on things. If you don’t like your neighbors cat walking through your yard theres an already provided solution: SUE YOUR NEIGHBOR. The NEIGHBOR is the one that should be ultimately responsible for allowing anything to happen to your property. Not an animal that doesn’t understand the concept of private property and cat hating. Killing a pet is simply barbaric no matter how you try to make it sound ok.
Do you have some issues with your neighbor's garbage that we don't know about?
I fancy theres a lot of neighbors in this country who don’t get along and a lot of them have cats. See where im going now…
Wild kittens grow into wild cats that kill wild birds. They learn when they're kittens. Get rid of the kittens and they won't breed more wild cats.
Then you are actually advocating shooting kittens? Whats next? Nailing bunnies to trees by their ears and lighting them on fire? They don’t even let you shoot baby WILD animals in just about any species. Yer completely over the edge here. But Ill offer the obvious solution anyway. You find a wild kitten, instead of following your first impulse and shooting, it how about taking it to the SPCA and having them SPAY it. Then you don’t need to worry about them breeding anymore eh? And you can return them to their environment so they aren’t simply replaced by other kittens that CAN breed. That’s how catch and neuter and release works see…
Where did I say that it was my solution? I don't recall saying that either.
you defended shooting cats… you JUST advocated shooting KITTENS! You trashed the idea of mass neutering and release. So if that’s NOT your solution what is exactly?
Where are they returning wild cats to? The wild? So they can continue to kill birds? How are stray cats with no owners helping society?
in a niche when you take out the predator other predators quickly take their place. You think you are going to shoot cats into extinction or something? No. You spay the cat and return it and it continues to play its role within that niche withOUT making more new cats. You shoot it and a new cat that can make more new cats takes its place that you DON’T kill. Its really pretty straight forward. The concept of shooting cats to save other animals doesn’t work.
Who's refusing to fund them?
The vast majority of our society. Who here has?
Yes.
Do you volunteer your time or money
absolutely.
Potential pets? If you believe every stray or wild cat can be adopted as a potential pet, you have no idea how bad the overpopulation is.
did you not get the part when I said “and yes you will certainly have plenty of legitimate pets being killed if this goes through”? Note I DIDN’T say every wild cat should be a pet but that with this law youd CERTAINLY have ACTUAL pets being killed willy nilly and legally. That simply shouldn’t be allowed.
No, because it is not "publicly acceptable" for a dog to roam around wherever they want.
I see it almost every day in the suburb I live in actually. Can I shoot them when they knock over my trash can and make noise late at night?
Listen, I never said I agreed with what they're proposing. I'm playing devil's advocate because it's obvious that you're not considering the other side of the argument and posted an article that is extremely biased.
youre not even playing devils advocate. We should ALL be biased against shooting pets. Its simply a ridiculous fake solution to a problem that the creator of the petition doesn’t even care about since he shoots birds himself.
I think a dinky collar is the least an owner can do.
You do realize there are some cats that will simply never stay in a collar. That’s why they make cat collars pull away. So they don’t strangle themselves trying to get the damn thing off. You cant expect cats to be little furry humans or even little cute dogs. They are CATS. And we need to understand what is ok for dogs doesn’t work for many many cats. And just because of that DOESN’T mean we should be shooting them.
I think that since cats are self-reliant by nature, that they make a great pet for lazy people.
Is this why you don’t like cats? Because you think their owners are lazy?
But they have been doing the trap-neuter-adopt, education on what a pet-owner should be, spay/neuter campaigns, shelters that attempt to get these unwanted animals adopted for years and years and still the problem is as bad as ever.
No its trap-neuter-RELEASE and they HAVENT! That’s the point! They don’t get enough funding to do it on the scale it needs to be done. And when they do do mass neutering they don’t have anywhere to do it so they use government facilities and everyone gets up in arms over catching possible cat diseases and what not and they are chased out of town by local politicians. That’s EXACTLY what happened here recently.
There needs to be a new idea.
we need to try the idea that has been proposed all along and never followed through with on the right scale. The “new idea” is NOT killing cats.
Maybe if they do put this law into place, cat owners will be more responsible on what they allow their cat to do.
Responsible as in what? Keeping an outdoor cat inside for the rest of its life for fear my neighbors will shoot it? Attempting the near impossible task of walking your cat? Get real.
But what will definitely happen is that it will decrease the cat population, even if only in that state.
Incorrect. You didn’t even read your OWN article you posted did you? Allow me:
A 1991-2002 study of "trap, neuter and return" used at a free-roaming cat colony at the University of Central Florida showed the cat population dropped by 66 percent, Krebsbach said. "We know trap and kill just doesn't work. It's standard procedure that's been used for decades in the U.S., yet several shelter surveys show the overpopulation of unwanted cats persists," she said. "All the scientific evidence leads to trap, neuter and return . . .”
the ONLY thing shooting cats will do will end up in killing pets and then youll certainly have people getting shot in response. Theres some serious cat owners out there that wouldn’t take too kindly to people shooting their beloved pet. Personally id probably fire bomb your house and torch your car but im nice.
Believe what you want about "domestic" dogs and cats, the evidence says otherwise.
