Poor, poor Bernie!

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Times Online said:
Bernard Madoff hires help to survive hard time

(Bob Daemmrich/Polaris/eyevine)

Bernard Madoff has hired a veteran prison consultant to help him to find the best possible jail in which to serve his 150-year sentence for Wall Street’s biggest fraud.

After his sentencing this week Madoff, now Prisoner No 1727-054, met Herb Hoelter, of the National Centre for Institutions and Alternatives, whose previous clients include the jailed Sotheby’s chairman Alfred Taubman and the financiers Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky.

The draconian maximum sentence imposed by the judge means that Madoff, 71, will be assigned to a tougher category of prison than most white-collar criminals.

He could be forced to mingle with murderers, rapists, drug-dealers and white supremacist gangs with a hatred of Jews. Madoff is Jewish.

He could even find himself incarcerated with terrorists in the infamous “Supermax” jail in Florence, Colorado.

“He was incredibly disappointed. He knew he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison. I don’t think that was ever an issue,” Mr Hoelter told The Times. “But it’s patently unfair to cast him as a symbol of all evil.”

Federal convicts are assigned to minimum, low, medium, high-security prison, or even the sole Supermax facility, by the US Bureau of Prisons using a score-card known as Form BP-337 to calculate an inmate’s “Security Point Total”. A first-time non-violent white-collar criminal convicted in a US federal court would normally qualify for incarceration at a minimum-security “prison camp” with easygoing rules and no perimeter fence. But the length of Mr Madoff’s jail term means that he has no hope at all of going to one of them.

“Independent of the length of his sentence, he would score out as a minimum-security inmate,” said Mr Hoelter. “But because of the length of his sentence, they apply a ‘public safety factor’ and would never put him in a minimum security facility.”

Madoff’s lawyer asked the judge to recommend that he should serve his term in the medium-security Otisville Correctional Institute, 70 miles from New York, which has an unusually large Jewish inmate population. The judge refused.

A sentence above 30 years usually places an inmate in a high-security category, meaning that Madoff would be assigned to a prison housing violent offenders including murderers and rapists. Ed Bales, of Federal Prison Consultants, which is not involved in the case, said that Madoff was likely to be held in isolation, known as “the hole”, at least at first.

“He could cause a lot of problems because it’s a very high-profile case. People may react very badly to him,” Mr Bales said. “He is going to have white supremacists who do not like the Jewish population. He has got some enemies he is going to have to face.” It is even possible that Madoff could be upgraded for his own safety to the only Supermax facility, where inmates are locked up for 23 hours a day and never get to mix with the general prison population.

John Webster, of National Prison and Sentencing Consultants, said: “Next to being a sex offender, people who are perceived as stealing from the elderly are not perceived as very popular folk in prison. Everyone has a mother. I think there is going to be some form of retaliation.”

Mr Webster, a lawyer who once served a 13-month sentence for lying to investigators, said that white-collar criminals often struggled to adapt to jail. “I have a former client who is a judge,” he said.

“The first time he was brought to an isolation unit in handcuffs, he said to the guard, ‘Would you get me a coffee?’. That was a guy who did not realise where he was yet.” Mr Hoelter says that Madoff can at least look forward to moving from the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan, where he has been held since pleading guilty in March.

The centre is a maximum-security prison. “He has been incarcerated under very difficult conditions in these past months. Anywhere he goes is likely to be better than where he is now, unless they throw him into the Supermax,” he said. “He will be able to get exercise. He will be able to do something that makes him productive. He may be able to tutor other inmates.”
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Rot in hell Bernie! :flame:
 
prison consultant to help him to find the best possible jail
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WTF is a prison consultant & isn't it up to the judge, or state law, where one serves their sentence?
 
Holy crap! He'll be an old man by the time he gets out in 2159. He'll be 221 years old! He'll have spent the best years of his life in prison.
 
aw jim, they only serve 1/4-1/3 of the time.
Those numbers are Strictly for appearance.

He'll get pardoned later, if someone doesn't shiv him.
 
jimpeel said:
Holy crap! He'll be an old man by the time he gets out in 2159. He'll be 221 years old! He'll have spent the best years of his life in prison.
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The point of the sentence was to make sure he never saw the outside again. He is expected to spend the rest of his life in prison and die there.

He's been uncooperative on who was in on the scam with him. That's why he was dealt that harsh card. My guess is that he took the whole rap to keep the rest of his family from going down with him.
 
valkyrie said:
The point of the sentence was to make sure he never saw the outside again. He is expected to spend the rest of his life in prison and die there.

He's been uncooperative on who was in on the scam with him. That's why he was dealt that harsh card. My guess is that he took the whole rap to keep the rest of his family from going down with him.
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Oh I'm quite sure the whole family knew....

But him taking the whole rap, well it may be the one and only redeeming quality he has, he loves his family....
 
Solitary confinement is appropriate for someone with no sense of community. Drop all the political, religious, etc., labels and call him what he is. He was a guy so obsessed with "success" that he lost all common sense. He broke all the rules to make everyone else "losers" so he could be the "winner". A rational person wants everyone else to prosper, or at least be comfortable. Well-fed people who are secure in their homes are much less likely to kick your door in at 3 AM. His lawyer should have tried for the insanity defense, because that scale of greed is truly insane.
The apologists for Wall Street/Big Banks/ etc. are trying to convince us that Madoff was just a bad apple. Pardon me while I cry "Horseshit!" The whole barrel is rotten. Our present Executive Branch isn't going to punish all of these pirates because they simply can't. The greed is systemic.
When I was a kid, we had a bunch of hound dogs. They would get heartworms, so we would dose 'em with poison. Sometimes they would die, sometimes they would excrete the dead heartworms and survive. But they were different dogs after the treatment. Shame on the worms like Madoff and his ilk for bringing a good dog down.
 
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