Right sentiment...

Gato_Solo

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
wrong choice of words.

"I refuse to have my right as a soldier taken from me because of my gender," Guay wrote in an e-mail. "It is my right to defend my country. . . . I am well aware of the danger. . . . Let me (us) do our job."
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Last time. What's the difference between a right, and a priviledge? Also...what's the difference between a right, and a duty? Exchange the word right for duty in that quote, and she hit's the nail squarely on the head. The way it's stated now is just so much posturing. I'm sure she's capable of combat. At 170 pounds, she sure as hell better be...but she's a soldier, and a soldiers job is to follow the lawful orders of the officers and nco's appointed above, and not bitch because they aren't allowed to play. ;)
 
Is there more pay for combat duty,seems kinda screwed if they're in the front lines doing medic duty not not being properly compensated.Wouldn't anywhere in Iraq ,be pretty much frontline duty anyway,for that matter. :confused:
 
A.B.Normal said:
Is there more pay for combat duty,seems kinda screwed if they're in the front lines doing medic duty not not being properly compensated.Wouldn't anywhere in Iraq ,be pretty much frontline duty anyway,for that matter. :confused:
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Combat pay is area-wide. If you're in that area, you get the pay. She's complaining because she wants to 'prove herself' in combat...She wants to hear the zing of bullets overhead, and feel the impact of rounds against her body armor. The exact type of person you do not want with you in a combat situation. She may have the physique, but she doesn't have the psyche.
 
I was going to say that. Of anyone that I would want with me in a combat situation, it sure wouldn't be someone that fought their way to get there.
 
To paraphrase my bro-in-law

"We train daily for years on end for war. Not going to war when the chance presents itself is like training for football and not even being benched at the Superbowl"

He's doing his second tour in a few months. He doesn't want to die, he prefers not to get shot at etc...but going from basic training to retirement while fighting nothing more than the occasional forest-fire seems more like an excersize in 'make work' to get youths off the streets than an actual attempt to be prepared to defend liberty and one's nation in times of strife. :shrug:

To put it simply: She trained and she got benched before the game started... because of her gender. No shit, she's pissed.
 
Professur said:
And no shit, you missed the point.
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Nope..here's the point

"The Army has to understand the regulation that says women can't be placed in direct fire situations is archaic and not attainable," said Lt. Col. Cheri Provancha, commander of a Stryker Brigade support battalion in Mosul, who decided to bend Army rules and allow Guay to serve as a medic for an infantry company of the 82nd Airborne. Under a 1994 policy, women are excluded from units at the level of battalion and below that engage in direct ground combat."

Women train to be in the military, and they should be allowed to be placed in direct fire situations like the men they trained with...not coddled and protected.

Either let them take a full roll or don't bother letting them into the Armed Forces at all. That IS the point.
 
No, the point is that she's not considered mentally qualified for the task (as per Gato's post).

Don't get me wrong. I'd prefer to assign a few battalions of women just like her to the front lines. Just as I'd rather have the flag-bitch at the construction site around the corner carrying bags of cement instead of waving a flag for the same pay as the guys who are carrying cement.

But the rules were there, in place, when she signed up. It's not like they changed them after the fact.
 
She's a combat medic who ain't allowed to be where people are being wounded .. basically, she can't do her job.


oh...and read it again.

A House subcommittee, seeking to keep women out of combat, passed a measure this week that would bar women from thousands of Army positions now open to them. In Iraq, female soldiers immediately denounced the vote.
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this is recent...she's "Provancha, a 21-year Army veteran from San Diego"
 
Wimen's in combat
Homo's in the foxhole

Yeah it's all good...

America 'what a country'!
 
MrBishop said:
She's a combat medic who ain't allowed to be where people are being wounded .. basically, she can't do her job.


oh...and read it again.


this is recent...she's "Provancha, a 21-year Army veteran from San Diego"
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I wasn't talking about the officer, Bish...I was talking about the medic...who, as I read it, is allowed to do her job. What I disagree with is this...If somebody is itching to get into a fight, do you let them, or let a cooler head prevail? You absolutely do not want to get into a combat situation with an itchy trigger finger.

Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
Murphy's First Military Law
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You'll only serve to get yourself, and everybody around you, killed. Ask your bro what he thinks of bravado before the battle.
 
BeardofPants said:
Oh Winky - do you have to be a cretin ALL the time? :hmm:
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Actually, unless I'm reading him wrong (I'm tired as the nine hells, so I might be) he might have a point....Why, if a person is perfectly qualified, perfectly capable (in this particular case I would say not...mental ability and stability needs to be taken into account) and willing, then why force them to be desk jockey? I personally believe that most any one (male, female, whatever) that has a desire to be placed in direct combat, definitely need to be checked out first....itchy trigger fingers are deadly to anyone.
 
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Holy shit, thats a woman? :D

I don't think women should be in front line situations because of how it will impact on the rest of the platoon. One woman or gay man in a platoon is not good for business. In civillian society the average males behaviour may be ape like but in a combat situation it probably pays dividends to act like a caveman. Farting and swearing builds morale.
 
Lopan said:
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Holy shit, thats a woman? :D

I don't think women should be in front line situations because of how it will impact on the rest of the platoon. One woman or gay man in a platoon is not good for business. In civillian society the average males behaviour may be ape like but in a combat situation it probably pays dividends to act like a caveman. Farting and swearing builds morale.
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Is that experience talking? Or just plain ol' sexist bs?
 
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