SACRAMENTO State Senate OKs bypassing Electoral College

I always here people say something like "That's how the Electoral College works, if you don't like it get rid of it".

Well, let's do it then. I don't see a downside.
 
You are in CAlifonia. Of course you don't see a downside.

The people between Arizona & Pennsylvania most definately see a downside.
 
Sorry to say I agree with Gonz Highway SnP Gato again (I need to see a Dr.)

the Electoral college prevents a region of the United States with a user high population to single handidly elect the leader of the entire country, it gives voices to people all across the country.

If there where no electoral college New York and California could elect someone who promised to help them, and them alone, with the college states with lower populations have a voice, and hence can get the help they need.


though the canadian system is better. :D
 
spike said:
How dose the Canadian system work?
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the BASICS are (and I will make up numbers) if there are 10,000 people living in one are, that area has one vote, all the people vote, and whoever wins, gets that areas vote.

so 10,000 the areas are REAL small in the urban areas, and real big in the rural areas.

mind you the areas are not resized often, so it is not always exact.
 
In other words, like how the House of Representatives works... except for the cap of 435 representatives.
 
Inkara1 said:
So it's 10,000 now but it would be 20,000 per vote if Canada's population were to double?
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i said I would make up numbers!

I have no idea how they work out those numbers, I think it might have to do with population density, 1 vote per 10,000 is an example, and false, some areas cleary have more votes than others, etc, it also has to do with our political system, you do not vote for the prime minister, you vote for your local MP if that party wins, then the leader of that party is the prime minister (if he loses in his riding, a junior mp will give up his seat, so he can be prime minister)

but a hypothetical example would be toronto has as many seats as the entire north west territiories.

uhmm in the states NYC would have as many seats (or more) as utah
 
Newfoundland and Labrador - 7 seats
Avalon
Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor (Bonavista—Exploits prior to 2004)
Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte
Labrador
Random—Burin—St. George's
St. John's East (St. John's North prior to 2004)
St. John's South—Mount Pearl (St. John's South prior to 2004)

Prince Edward Island - 4 seats
Cardigan
Charlottetown
Egmont
Malpeque

Nova Scotia - 11 seats
Cape Breton—Canso
Central Nova
Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley (North Nova prior to 2004)
Dartmouth—Cole Harbour
Halifax
Halifax West
Kings—Hants
Sackville—Eastern Shore
South Shore—St. Margaret's
Sydney—Victoria
West Nova

New Brunswick - 10 seats
Acadie—Bathurst
Beauséjour
Fredericton
Fundy Royal (Fundy prior to 2004)
Madawaska—Restigouche
Miramichi
Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe
New Brunswick Southwest (St. Croix—Belleisle prior to 2004)
Saint John
Tobique—Mactaquac

Quebec - 75 seats
Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou (Nunavik—Eeyou prior to 2004)
Abitibi—Témiscamingue
Ahuntsic
Alfred-Pellan
Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel (Argenteuil—Mirabel prior to 2004)
Bas-Richelieu—Nicolet—Bécancour (Richelieu prior to 2004)
Beauce
Beauharnois—Salaberry
Beauport—Limoilou (Beauport prior to 2004)
Berthier—Maskinongé
Bourassa
Brome—Missisquoi
Brossard—La Prairie
Chambly—Borduas
Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles (Charlesbourg prior to 2004)
Châteauguay—Saint-Constant
Chicoutimi—Le Fjord
Compton—Stanstead
Drummond
Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine
Gatineau
Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia (Matapédia—Matane prior to 2004)
Hochelaga
Honoré-Mercier
Hull—Aylmer
Jeanne-Le Ber
Joliette
Jonquière—Alma
La Pointe-de-l'Île
Lac-Saint-Louis
LaSalle—Émard
Laurentides—Labelle
Laurier—Sainte-Marie (Laurier prior to 2004)
Laval
Laval—Les Îles
Lévis—Bellechasse
Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher (Longueuil prior to 2004)
Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière
Louis-Hébert
Louis-Saint-Laurent
Manicouagan
Marc-Aurèle-Fortin
Mégantic—L'Érable
Montcalm
Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup (Rivière-du-Loup—Montmagny prior to 2004)
Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord (Charlevoix—Montmorency prior to 2004)
Mount Royal
Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine
Outremont
Papineau
Pierrefonds—Dollard
Pontiac
Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier (Portneuf prior to 2004)
Québec
Repentigny
Richmond—Arthabaska
Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques (Rimouski—Témiscouata prior to 2004)
Rivière-des-Mille-Îles
Rivière-du-Nord
Roberval—Lac-Saint-Jean (Roberval prior to 2004)
Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie
Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert
Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot
Saint-Jean
Saint-Lambert
Saint-Laurent—Cartierville
Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel
Saint-Maurice—Champlain
Shefford
Sherbrooke
Terrebonne—Blainville
Trois-Rivières
Vaudreuil-Soulanges
Verchères—Les Patriotes
Westmount—Ville-Marie

Ontario - 106 seats
Ajax—Pickering
Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing
Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale
Barrie
Beaches—East York
Bramalea—Gore—Malton
Brampton—Springdale
Brampton West
Brant
Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound (Grey—Bruce—Owen Sound prior to 2004)
Burlington
Cambridge
Carleton—Mississippi Mills (Carleton—Lanark prior to 2004)
Chatham-Kent—Essex
Davenport
Don Valley East
Don Valley West
Dufferin—Caledon
Durham (Clarington—Scugog—Uxbridge prior to 2004)
Eglinton—Lawrence
Elgin—Middlesex—London
Essex
Etobicoke Centre
Etobicoke—Lakeshore
Etobicoke North
Glengarry—Prescott—Russell
Guelph
Haldimand—Norfolk
Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock
Halton
Hamilton Centre
Hamilton East—Stoney Creek
Hamilton Mountain
Huron—Bruce
Kenora
Kingston and the Islands
Kitchener Centre
Kitchener—Conestoga (briefly Kitchener—Wilmot—Wellesley—Woolwich in 2004-2005)
Kitchener—Waterloo
Lambton—Kent—Middlesex (Middlesex—Kent—Lambton prior to 2004)
Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington
Leeds—Grenville
London—Fanshawe
London North Centre
London West
Markham—Unionville
Mississauga—Brampton South
Mississauga East—Cooksville
Mississauga—Erindale
Mississauga South
Mississauga—Streetsville
Nepean—Carleton
Newmarket—Aurora
Niagara Falls
Niagara West—Glanbrook
Nickel Belt
Nipissing—Timiskaming
Northumberland—Quinte West
Oak Ridges—Markham
Oakville
Oshawa
Ottawa Centre
Ottawa—Orléans
Ottawa South
Ottawa—Vanier
Ottawa West—Nepean
Oxford
Parkdale—High Park
Parry Sound—Muskoka
Perth—Wellington
Peterborough
Pickering—Scarborough East
Prince Edward—Hastings
Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke
Richmond Hill
St. Catharines
St. Paul's
Sarnia—Lambton
Sault Ste. Marie
Scarborough—Agincourt
Scarborough Centre
Scarborough—Guildwood
Scarborough—Rouge River
Scarborough Southwest
Simcoe—Grey
Simcoe North
Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry
Sudbury
Thornhill
Thunder Bay—Rainy River
Thunder Bay—Superior North
Timmins—James Bay
Toronto Centre
Toronto—Danforth
Trinity—Spadina
Vaughan
Welland
Wellington—Halton Hills
Whitby—Oshawa
Willowdale
Windsor—Tecumseh
Windsor West
York Centre
York—Simcoe
York South—Weston
York West

Manitoba - 14 seats
Brandon—Souris
Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia (Charleswood—St. James prior to 2004)
Churchill
Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette (Dauphin—Swan River prior to 2004)
Elmwood—Transcona
Kildonan—St. Paul
Portage—Lisgar
Provencher
Saint Boniface
Selkirk—Interlake
Winnipeg Centre
Winnipeg North
Winnipeg South
Winnipeg South Centre

Saskatchewan - 14 seats
Battlefords—Lloydminster
Blackstrap
Cypress Hills—Grasslands
Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River (Churchill River prior to 2004)
Palliser
Prince Albert
Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre
Regina—Qu'Appelle
Saskatoon—Humboldt
Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar
Saskatoon—Wanuskewin
Souris—Moose Mountain
Wascana
Yorkton—Melville

Alberta - 28 seats
Calgary Centre (Calgary South Centre prior to 2004)
Calgary Centre-North (Calgary North Centre prior to 2004)
Calgary East
Calgary Northeast
Calgary—Nose Hill
Calgary Southeast
Calgary Southwest
Calgary West
Crowfoot
Edmonton Centre
Edmonton East
Edmonton—Leduc
Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont (Edmonton—Beaumont prior to 2004)
Edmonton—St. Albert
Edmonton—Sherwood Park
Edmonton—Spruce Grove
Edmonton—Strathcona
Fort McMurray—Athabasca (Athabasca prior to 2004)
Lethbridge
Macleod
Medicine Hat
Peace River
Red Deer
Vegreville—Wainwright
Westlock—St. Paul (briefly Battle River in 2004-2005)
Wetaskiwin
Wild Rose
Yellowhead

British Columbia - 36 seats
Abbotsford
British Columbia Southern Interior (Southern Interior prior to 2004)
Burnaby—Douglas
Burnaby—New Westminster
Cariboo—Prince George
Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon
Delta—Richmond East
Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca
Fleetwood—Port Kells
Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo (Kamloops—Thompson prior to 2004)
Kelowna—Lake Country (Kelowna prior to 2004)
Kootenay—Columbia
Langley
Nanaimo—Alberni
Nanaimo—Cowichan
Newton—North Delta
New Westminster—Coquitlam
North Vancouver
Okanagan—Coquihalla
Okanagan—Shuswap (North Okanagan—Shuswap prior to 2004)
Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission (Dewdney—Alouette prior to 2004)
Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam
Prince George—Peace River
Richmond
Saanich—Gulf Islands
Skeena—Bulkley Valley
South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale
Surrey North
Vancouver Centre
Vancouver East
Vancouver Island North
Vancouver Kingsway
Vancouver Quadra
Vancouver South
Victoria
West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast prior to 2004)

Yukon - 1 seat
Yukon

Northwest Territories - 1 seat
Western Arctic

Nunavut - 1 seat
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a list of the provinces, and how many, and what seats they hold

308 total BTW
 
Federal electoral districts in Canada are re-adjusted every ten years based on the Canadian census and proscribed by various constitutional seat guarantees for Quebec and the Maritime provinces, with the essential proportions between the remaining provinces being "locked" no matter any further changes in relative population as have already occurred. Any major changes to the status quo, if proposed, would require constitutional amendments using the seven out of ten and two-thirds rule to ratify constitutional changes allowing changes in the existing imbalance of seats between various provinces.


which is why western canada hates eastern canada
 
So basically, if the west wants more voice, they have to get the east to allow it? Dowsn't sound likely.

Is BC a "maritime province" too, or are the maritime provinces just the ones on the Atlantic?
 
Inkara1 said:
So basically, if the west wants more voice, they have to get the east to allow it? Dowsn't sound likely.

Is BC a "maritime province" too, or are the maritime provinces just the ones on the Atlantic?
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maritime are the atlantic provinces, anything east of Quebec.

and the Prime minister is western, as is the base of the conservative party, they won votes in the east due to liberal party scandal, and in the west, by having a pro west stance, I think it will change eventually, all the money is in the west, and they have even had talk of seperation.
 
I don't see why British Columbia wouldn't be a maritime province too... Vancouver is no lightweight when it comes to harbor activity.
 
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