Sars bug deadlier than aids says doc

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A LEADING doctor has warned the SARS virus could be more devastating than AIDS.

Dr Patrick Dickson called on world governments to act to stamp out the threat from the deadly respiratory illness.

Dr Dixon, one of Europe's experts on predicting global trends, said it could be more dangerous than AIDS because of its ability to spread quickly.

He said: "It is worth remembering that AIDS has infected 80 million people so far over 15 to 20 years.

"AIDS spreads slowly so we can track it and plan for it. We have effective anti- viral drugs which can prolong life.

"But this is different, we don't have the time. This is a far more serious epidemic potentially than AIDS."

Dr Dixon said his main concern was rural, isolated areas in China and around the world.

He added: "In a country like India, which is chaotic with minimum health provision, the potential for spreading the virus is huge."

Dr Dixon, a fellow at the Centre for Management Development at London Business School, said if current trends continued, there could be a billion cases within 60 weeks.

He has called on world leaders to address the problem as a matter of "national security".

The Government yesterday advised Britons not to travel to Toronto, Hong Kong and the Chinese provinces of Guangdong, Beijing and Shanxi because of SARS.

Toronto is the first location outside Asia added to the list.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...headline=SARS BUG DEADLIER THAN AIDS SAYS DOC
 
Gato...don't know if you noticed but Toronto is doing the same as China in allowing travel to and from that city. It seems we're not much better than China.
 
WHO Warns Against Travel to Toronto, Beijing, Shanxi

TORONTO — Global health officials warned travelers Wednesday to avoid Beijing and Toronto, where they might get the SARS (more news | Web) virus and export it to new locations.

Canadian officials angrily said they would challenge the health advisory and declared their nation's largest city still "a safe place." Toronto is the first location outside of Asia targeted in efforts to contain the disease.

In Beijing, Chinese officials said all public schools would close Thursday for two weeks, affecting 1.7 million children. Thousands of people trying to flee the outbreak packed the capital city's train station and airport.

A major medical center in China's capital, the People's Hospital of Peking University, was closed Thursday amid a SARS outbreak. More than 2,000 employees were under observation for the disease while the hospital was being disinfected.



Dr. David Heymann of the World Health Organization (more news | Web) said the new travel alert, which includes China's Shanxi province, was necessary because "these areas now have quite a high magnitude of disease, a great risk of transmission locally ... and also they've been exporting cases to other countries."

The advisory, which says any unnecessary travel to those locations should be postponed, will be reviewed again in three weeks, he said. Previously, WHO warned against non-urgent travel to Hong Kong and the Chinese province of Guangdong, where the virus was first reported last November.

Dr. Paul Gully, director general of Health Canada, said he would challenge WHO's assertion in a letter.

"Toronto continues to be a safe place," he said.

Dr. Clifford McDonald, an official with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that the CDC had not issued the same strong advice. The CDC has warned travelers to take precautions when visiting Toronto.

And Toronto medical officer Dr. Sheela Basrur said the outbreak, while serious, "is contained -- largely in hospitals which is, frankly, where it belongs. So we don't have widespread community spread."

But Heymann, WHO's communicable disease chief, said Toronto had not contained the disease. A major reason for WHO's action, he said, is that a cluster of SARS cases among health workers in another country was traced to the Canadian city in the last week.

He would not say where the new cluster emerged, but there have been reports of at least three incidents of SARS being exported from Toronto. One involved a Toronto medical assistant who apparently spread SARS to her family in Manila before she died of it.

That case is the only reported one where an infected person from Canada is known to have triggered SARS in another jurisdiction.

Dr. Colin D'Cunha, Toronto's commissioner of public health, said that means Toronto is "an exporter of sorts," but not enough for a travel advisory.

There is no treatment for severe acute respiratory syndrome, which has symptoms similar to pneumonia. It has killed at least 250 people worldwide, out of more than 4,000 infected.

Canada has been the most affected area outside Asia, with 140 cases and 16 deaths as of Wednesday, all in the Toronto area.

The disease has meant disaster for many businesses. Asia's aviation industry is in its worst crisis ever, some analysts say, with layoffs and thousands of flights canceled.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa announced a $1.5 billion relief package Wednesday to try to help the territory's battered economy bounce back.

Even Chinatown restaurants in American cities have lost customers, despite the fact that there are fewer than 40 U.S. cases and no one has died.

In Toronto, near the New York state border, Wednesday's warning from WHO immediately piled on the misery. Mayor Mel Lastman was furious at the health agency.

"I've never been so angry in all my life," he said, adding that he was "shocked that the medical evidence we have before us does not support this."

As a result of the warning, Major League Baseball urged players to take precautions -- such as avoiding crowds and contact with fans -- when visiting the home of the Blue Jays through the All-Star break in mid-July.

"The ripple effect is huge because the hotel industry, the restaurant industry, sporting events, everything filters out of that," said Rick Naylor, head of Accucom, a company that organizes trade shows to Toronto. "It's not just the conventions."

Deputy Mayor Case Ootes said people should not fear coming to Toronto.

"I can assure you that the situation here is totally different than it is in the Far East," he said Wednesday in an interview PBS' The NewsHour. "People in Toronto are going about their business as usual."

Ted Carmichael, chief Canadian economist for J.P. Morgan in Toronto, said, "What is uncertain is the duration of the economic impact of SARS. If the outbreak is not contained soon, the negative effect on consumer confidence and business spending are likely to increase."

Economic activity in the greater Toronto area accounts for about 20 percent of the national gross domestic product, according to David Dodge, governor of the bank of Canada.

In Beijing, along with the school closing, authorities said they would quarantine people exposed to the SARS virus and restrict access to buildings where there are infections. They did not say how they would enforce the measures.

The number of SARS cases reported by Beijing has leaped from fewer than 40 to nearly 600 in just four days. However, world health officials say the spike could be caused by changes in the way SARS cases are reported.

At the Beijing Train Station on Wednesday, thousands of workers and students in white gauze masks waited to board trains to go home. Capital Airport also was more crowded than normal.

A high school student who only gave her surname, Chen, said she came to Beijing to take a college entrance exam two weeks ago and was anxious to return to her southern home province of Yunnan, which shares a border with Myanmar.

"I really can't wait to get out of here because of SARS," Chen said. "Beijing is too dangerous. It's safer back home."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84912,00.html
 
Why they're arguing it is because it's not in the general population...every single person who's had it has got it from within a hospital setting...they've feel they've now got that under control, and that there's no danger to the general public.

they say :eek6:
 
Two things:
  • NO-ONE has EVER died from AIDS. Aids destroys the immune system and leaves you more vunerable to attacks from otherwise-non-threatening illnesses - Tuberculosis accounts for nearly a third of all deaths among AIDS sufferers.
  • At the latest count, around 4,300 people have been infected with SARS. Of those, about 250 have died, putting the mortality rate a little under 6%. Diabetes has a death rate of around twice that in the US; Meningitis about 3x.
 
Saying no one has ever died of AIDS is like saying no one has ever died of old age. A technically correct, but vaccous and misleading statement.
 
If you want to get really technical, there is only one cause of death. Lack of oxygen to the brain. Everything else just causes that. So, I guess we have nothing to worry about, huh?
 
Except that other diseases cause directly the physical malfunction that causes the lack of oxygen to the brain. AIDS is another step removed as it requires the intervention of a third party to do you any damage. A person can theoretically live just as full and long a life once AIDS has taken its full effect on them. Same with the common flu (usually) but not much else.

If you really want to go the whole hog PT, you have to claim that LIFE itself is the killer, since being alive leads you to eat wich leads you to grow which leads you to live which leads you to go outside which leads you to see girls which leads you to get horny which leads you to asking for a shag which leads you to getting slapped which leads you to developing more subtle seduction methods which leads you to scoring which leads you to forgetting your rubber in your excitement which leads you to contract AIDS which leads you to get sick with something else which causes you to die.

Now, can you claim that going outside was the cause of death?

If you drop a knife on the floor and it gashes your leg on the way down, and then a tetanus bug flies in from nowhere, infects you and you die, did the leg wound kill you? Did your mum kill you because she didn't take you to get your tetanus shot?

If you're a policeman and you're wearing a bullet-proof vest, and you get in a fist-fight with a crim and he cuts the straps and later you get shot in the chest just millimetres above the sag in the vest because of the cut strap and you die, did you die from having the strap cut or from a bullet wound? Or did your Dad kill you because he didn't spend enough time with you as a kid teaching you how to fight?

Aids alone can't kill you. Gashing your leg alone can't kill you (unless you hit an artery). Having a strap cut on your vest alone can't ill you.

Tuberculosis on its own CAN kill you. A bullet on its own CAN kill you. SARS on its own CAN kill you (although your chances are good).

And in any case, the "one cause of death" would be ceasing of cerebral activity, not lack of oxygen, as the lack of oxygen simply causes the cease of activity. And in any case maybe your brain was blown up by a grenade in which case lack of oxygen isn't your problem. :p

Lack of oxygen to the brain CAUSES death. Getting shot in the heart CAUSES your heart to stop which CAUSES a lack of oxygen to your brain which CAUSES your cease in cerebral activity. Having AIDS does not CAUSE you to contract any illness.
 
a13antichrist said:
Having AIDS does not CAUSE you to contract any illness.

Technically, no it does not, however unless you plan on spending the rest your days in a plastic bubble, it does open the door for alot of illnesses that can kill you while someone else would shrug them off with a few sneezes.
 
You're right PT, it opens the door. So does flying to Africa or wearing a F**K YOU N*GG*RS sign in the middle of Harlem.

As for "guns don't kill people", have you ever seen a gun be arrested for murder? Or a knife? Or a pavement? People won't change so it's the access to the tools that has to be dealt with.
 
But the thing with AIDS is that the same bug that you or I could shrug off with a few sneezes or maybe a day or two of bedrest can kill a person with AIDS. That means that AIDS caused the bug to kill the person. They died because of the bug and AIDS.

I do understand what you are saying, by itself, AIDS doesn't kill, by itself, that bug doesn't kill, but put together, they do kill.
 
PuterTutor said:
That means that AIDS caused the bug to kill

Not caused - that is the very point I'm trying to make. Allowed, facilitated, yes, but not CAUSED. I accept "AIDS-related illness" as it shows they are respecting the nature of the virus, but "dying from Aids" isn't accurate enough. Granted, saying an AIDS victim died of TB without mentioning he had AIDS isn't really acceptable either, but at least it's not misleading.
 
Alright, if you want to look at it that way, but you're merely trading one word for another. I don't think we're that far apart on this though. The fact is that people do die because they have AIDS. They may die from TB, but they would not have died if they had not had AIDS.
 
A13,

You're a big fan of "Connections" aren't ya? I liked that book too, very interesting. So was the series they did based on it on TLC or was it Discovery :D

It's just a cold that kills, I mean SARS. Personally, I'm not worried yet, but we'll see. Remember the media always sensationalizes these things.
 
wow, from your argument, i was sure you'd read it. I guess its out of print, here is a link to the audio book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...1200454/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/102-2597794-6895325

He's kind of like you, except he starts with some event that happened thousands of years ago (for example), and chains events to show that something that happed a million years ago led to WWII or something like that. He goes even farther than you AIDs arguement. It's in the same style though, and always very amusing. Your argument reminded me of it.
 
NO-ONE has EVER died from AIDS. Aids destroys the immune system and leaves you more vunerable to attacks from otherwise-non-threatening illnesses - Tuberculosis accounts for nearly a third of all deaths among AIDS sufferers.

No one ever died from carbon dioxide poisoning either. It's mearly the lack of oxygen that kills. Yet a great many people have died from lack of oxygen.
 
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