Sexual assault at Duke University

I am sure that some of the time it's true :hmm:
Still...there are plenty of women out there that put themselves through school stripping.
 
I've heard that story, by several girls I was, let's say friendly with & between them, there wasn't one full college year & not one was currently active in school. I'm sure, out there, there must be some where it's true.
 
tonksy said:
Is that proven? Did I miss something? Is there a link?
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Hence jumping to conclusions. The evidence for sexual assault seems to be south in a great big hurry.

Besides, we need the exercise. ;)

BTW, I've been friendly with a couple of terpsichorean ecdysiasts in my time and I have to agree with Gonz. Especially at 27.
 
If you jizz in and on a a stripper in the dorm
and there's no DNA evidence
was there any jizz at all???
 
This whole story has turned into race baiting, if it wasn't that to begin with. A select segment of Durham's population seems to like TV cameras. This same segment also seems to line up on one side of the issue, strictly by race.

Last I heard, no DNA matched any athlete on the lacrosse team. Yet the coach resigned. ESPN reported that the first officer on the scene after the alleged incident was called in catagorized it as a [paraphrase]drunk woman, passed out[/paraphrase]. This was communicated before there was any reason on either side to make it a racial issue. It's as close to an unbiased testimony as we are likely to hear. Hence, it carries a little weight in my mind.

If these athletes are guilty, I sincerely hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If they are not guilty, I hope this woman faces 47 counts of Felony Filing False Police Reports.

Either way, I'm ready for Jesse to crawl back under whatever rock he had been hiding. If he wants to send her to college, by all means do so. Quietly and privately. It's his money.
 
Yeah esse & pee pee, looks like they are gonna
get indicted whether they did it or not

mebbe duh white folks will riot and burn down their
own neighborhoods?
 
NOT STARBUCKS!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wait, I don't drink coffee

NOT BLOCKBUSTER!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Keeping the stinky stuff from settling

April 17, 2006 — ABC News has obtained a tape in which a security guard — who may have been the first person to see the alleged victim of a Duke lacrosse gang rape after the alleged attack — says there were no signs or mention of rape or sexual assault.

ABC News has obtained an audio recording of what is purported to be a private investigator interviewing a security guard at a Kroger grocery store. It was this security guard whose call to 911 brought police to the Kroger parking lot, where they found the woman who claims she was raped by lacrosse team members.


The guard was on duty at the store on the night of March 13, when the two women pulled into the store's parking lot in a dark sedan. The alleged victim, who says three men held her down in a bathroom and kicked, strangled and raped her, was in the passenger seat.

On the tape, which was recorded April 3, three weeks after the lacrosse party, the guard can be heard saying, "There ain't no way she was raped — ain't no way, no way that happened."
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ABC
 
Two lacrosse players indicted, arrested

For those perhaps unfamiliar with the system...

An indictment is not a conviction. It is merely a finding by a grand jury that enough evidence exists to convince them that a crime occurred, and that the charged person(s) may have been the guilty parties. The only evidence presented is from the prosecutor, and they only present what they think is barely enough to get the indictment. No defense is allowed.

Now the two down sides. I don't like the fact that these things happen, but they do.

1. Grand juries are not trial juries; hence, they are not sequestered from publicity. High profile cases...community members serving on the grand jury...there is some amount of pressure to indict for a number of reasons. That is not saying that I think these athletes are innocent. Just a sad fact of the system.

2. It's re-election time in Durham for the District Attorney. Connect your own dots from there.



Again, if they're guilty, convict 'em. If not, charge her as appropriate and convict her. If this ends up as I expect, with no convictions either way, then justice has not been served in any fashion, and at least one side of the allegations has succeeded in manipulating the system for personal gain.
 
Authorities have said the shooting apparently was gang-related.
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"My focus is on community security," the judge said.
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Yeah, right.

Official reports indicated that Dontae Jones had the initials "EDC" tattooed on his arm, standing for a gang known as the "East Durham Crips."

The fatal shooting occurred on territory claimed by a rival gang, Assistant District Attorney Jim Dornfried said in court Wednesday.

"A lot of people's lives were put in jeopardy," said Dornfried, noting that numerous people were in a parking lot where the shooting occurred.

Evidence indicated that Mack was firing from a car with a .38-caliber gun when Jones was killed, Dornfried added.

He also said that Mack had avoided prosecution in November for giving fictitious information to a police officer, and that he was bonded out of jail on a marijuana charge when the murder occurred last month.
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Being on bond when you commit a new crime is an automatic enhancement factor. Bond could have legally and should have morally been denied.

The moral of the story: In Durham, you can be a gangsta killer dope dealer all day long, just don't go to a lacrosse team party in an election year.
 
I got an e-mail concerning this to my work e-mail account, since I'm a sports reporter. It was spam, of course, but it was talking about an interview opportunity with an expert on the case. The funny part, at least to me, was that it's from someone with the last name of Kocks. I just found that interesting, given what the case was about.

Lord, I apologize for that...
 
The plot thickens

Some of the "highlights"...


DURHAM, N.C. -- At first, an exotic dancer who performed at a Duke University lacrosse team party doubted the story of a colleague who told police she was dragged into a bathroom and raped.

Now, Kim Roberts isn't so sure.
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Amazing how time, publicity, community pressure, Jesse Jackson handing out scholarships, and rent coming due have a way of making people doubt things, ain't it?



After watching defense attorneys release photos of the accuser, and upset by the leaking of both dancers' criminal pasts, she said she has to "wonder about their character."
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The stripper with a rap sheet is concerned about character issues. Do tell.


"In all honesty, I think they're guilty," she said. "And I can't say which ones are guilty ... but somebody did something besides underage drinking. That's my honest-to-God impression."
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So now they did it, you just aren't sure who did what. Fascinating. She'll make an ace witness on the stand.



The attorneys claim Roberts at first told a member of the defense team that she did not believe the accuser's allegations. They say she has changed her story to gain favorable treatment in a criminal case against her. They note she also e-mailed a New York public relations firm, asking in her letter for advice on "how to spin this to my advantage."
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Watch that credibility soar.



Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 -- eight days after the party -- on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photo finishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP.
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But she's worried about an attorney's credibility. Nothing says "....the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth..." quite like embezzlement conviction, followed by violating the probation that kept you out of jail for it.


On Monday, the same day a grand jury indicted lacrosse players Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, a judge agreed to a change so that Roberts would no longer have to pay a 15 percent fee to a bonding agent. District Attorney Mike Nifong signed a document saying he would not oppose the change.
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This close to the election, I'm sure he didn't oppose it. What was Durham's racial breakdown again?



Also Thursday, 5W Public Relations, a New York firm that specializes in "crisis communication," distributed an e-mail signed "The 2nd Dancer," and Roberts confirmed she sent it after learning the AP knew her identity.

"I've found myself in the center of one of the biggest stories in the country," she wrote. "I'm worried about letting this opportunity pass me by without making the best of it and was wondering if you had any advice as to how to spin this to my advantage."

"Why shouldn't I profit from it?" she asked. "I didn't ask to be in this position ... I would like to feed my daughter."
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Do y'all really need me to spell that one out for you? Hey Jesse, got another hundred grand lying about?


Roberts said she knows what it's like to sit in jail, and that she would never wrongly accuse an innocent person.
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No, of course not. You're such an honest, credible thief. No way would you spin anything to your own advantage or anything like that.


"If the boys are innocent, sorry fellas," she said. "Sorry you had to go through this."

But unlike her and the other dancer, she said, they have money to hire the best attorneys.
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Too bad, so sad. That whole ruining your college experience, smearing your name across the media for months, getting you suspended from school, having you arrested, costing the coach his job of 16 years, poisoning your professional resumes...hate that. But I'd like to feed my daughter, and these 31 year old tits ain't what they used to be ya know...


"Don't forget that they called me a damn n-----," she said. "She [the accuser] was passed out in the car. She doesn't know what she was called. I was called that. I can never forget that."
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At last, we arrive at the motivation.

They called her a name. Not a crime. Not ideal behavior for certain, but not a crime requiring $400,000 bond. Each.

If these young men are not convicted of raping the dancer, I hope to God this same district attorney files charges for Filing False Reports against both of these dancers, and adds the Hate Crime enhancement factor to the prosecution. Their motives are clearly race based. That, I am told, is a hate crime. If it flows one way, it should flow the other. But it won't, because it don't.

Congratulations, America. Enjoy your new enlightenment. If you're allowed to. I'll be watching from the sticks, where we still use common sense as a barometer for words like credibility, character, crime, justice, and punishment.
 
After watching defense attorneys release photos of the accuser, and upset by the leaking of both dancers' criminal pasts, she said she has to "wonder about their character."
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They're attorneys. You shouldn't have to wonder about their character.

Re the whole mess, we'll never know what really happened now. I suspect that no one will be convicted of a crime and everyone's life has been ruined.
 
If these young men are not convicted of raping the dancer, I hope to God this same district attorney files charges for Filing False Reports against both of these dancers, and adds the Hate Crime enhancement factor to the prosecution. Their motives are clearly race based. That, I am told, is a hate crime. If it flows one way, it should flow the other. But it won't, because it don't.
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I've tried to preach that truth for years now. "The enlightened and educated elite" have no wish to see that particular truth.

OTOH, if they did it, the destruction of their professional and educational futures is just, and should serve as only the beginning.
 
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