Shock and Awe or Shock and Pause?

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NBC correspondent Jim Miklaszewski reported Thursday that the short, intensive attacks suggested that the Pentagon’s campaign of “shock and awe” had turned into “shock and pause” as the U.S. military stepped back to assess just how far they would have to go to achieve the ultimate objective — taking out Saddam.
After the first two days of airstrikes, Pentagon officials said there were serious cracks in the Iraqi regime, that have led to secret surrender talks with Iraqi military leaders.
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I think this is good. We may be able to avoid alot of conflict if they keep this up.
 
Interesting, how this has worked out so far....

I've been watching all the channels available and everyone seems to be kind of in the dark as to what's up....I think that's a pretty good thing. It's always seemed kinda silly to me to apparently give away war plans days or weeks in advance. I'm glad to see that what people expected hasn't really come to fruition...

On another front, I've been watching Hans Blix take some heat on a few of the channels from interviewers as well as commentators. This kind of pisses me off...

Regardless of how one feels about the hostilities I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Blix and company didn't do their jobs to the best of their ability given the cooperation they received. I don't think anyone can question Blix or his inspector group's integrity. He knows, as do most people , that his task was a difficult one which depended on components out of his direct control, and I hope that when people look back on this that this guy and his group are held in high regard....

Finally, as I also view on the tube, I see some strange happenings. In Berkeley I see a gal from Not In Our Name asking for "renewed momentum" because activism and "donations" are slacking off. I see a goofball in Chicago (MY town of 25 years) protesting, and I quote, "The coverup of the deaths of as many as 10 thousand Iraqi civilians so far in the illegal and immoral war of aggression by the imperial forces of the US"...oh, and the French destroyed a McDonalds....

thats right folks.....we're covering up 10K deaths so far.....

yeah.....it's not working out as planned.Not enough people are dying. Donations are slacking off.....

...I have to chuckle at the irony.

MADrin
 
a US chopper went down in Kuwait according to CNN a couple seconds ago, it carried 16 American and British...and there are fatalities. :(

:mope:
 
This entire thing might just come down to a battle for Baghdad. The idea of the rest of Saddams forces just folding under lack of communication isn't out of the question. After all we're probably communicating with them more than the Iraqi commanders are. I mean that seriously. The CIA is working hard on this one.
 
I know they are. I think this is going to be the biggest psychological war we've seen. That's good too, I'd rather use the brain bombs than the real ones.

I think the biggest problem is going to be the scattered loyalists. There was an interview with a guy that was in Somalia last night, he was saying that the city warfare is the worst, imagine walking down any street in any city, all the windows, doors, alleys, dumpsters, the enemy can be anywhere and you can't see em. He also told a story about this woman, standing in the middle of the street. They could see she wasn't armed, but could tell she was talking to someone out of their line of sight. Then two hands and a gun would pop out, take a few shots, and go back in. The woman would talk again, then the hands would come out. They finally figured out she was guiding the person with the weapon on where to shoot. What the fuck do you do with that? :disgust2:
 
8 British, 4 US

The latest now is that eyewitnesses reported seeing Saddam removed from the wreckage at that residence they thought he was in. They say he was brought out on a stretcher with an oxygen mask. That could mean anything--he's dead and they were putting on a show so people would think he was alive, he's wounded but ok, it's not him and it's a body double... :shrug:
 
So is the 8 and 4 the same crash as the 12 and 4 that was reported? I don't see where they say it's the second crash, so I guess so. Sure seems like the helicopters aren't doing so good over there.
 
Those chinook dual rotor jobs are not fun a fun place to be when one rotor gives up the ghost. Single rotor models are a damn sight more stable in a crisis.
 
Youve gotta remember that the US chopper fleet is damned long in the tooth. Many of those birds are over 20 years old.
 
JESUS ... watching live CNN... I just saw a huge ass series of explosions in Baghdad. Looked like it was a B-52 run. 100s yards wide... kilometer long... Jesus... more bombs

Shock and awe is here
 
The Iraqi Military was turning them back if they tried to leave the city.

Found a Blog of a guy in Bahgdad, I'm hunting down the link.
 
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