Terrorists are pu**ies

It's really not a little game. It is the basis of pretty much all of the arguments we have here.

Either it is wrong to try and force people to live their lives in a way that they have not chosen or it isn't.

You seem to believe that it is wrong for people to try and change you because you are American, but it ok for you to force them to change because they are not.
 
Yep, there goes ole Gonz, imposing freedom on the whole lot, not matter how much they wish to be imprisoned by bondage.
 
Freedom is freedom.

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Main Entry: free·dom
Pronunciation: 'frE-d&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : INDEPENDENCE c : the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care> d : EASE, FACILITY <spoke the language with freedom> e : the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom> f : improper familiarity g : boldness of conception or execution h : unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>
2 a : a political right b : FRANCHISE, PRIVILEGE
synonyms FREEDOM, LIBERTY, LICENSE mean the power or condition of acting without compulsion. FREEDOM has a broad range of application from total absence of restraint to merely a sense of not being unduly hampered or frustrated <freedom of the press>. LIBERTY suggests release from former restraint or compulsion <the released prisoner had difficulty adjusting to his new liberty>. LICENSE implies freedom specially granted or conceded and may connote an abuse of freedom <freedom without responsibility may degenerate into license>.
 
So that would include .... say the freedom to be fundementalist Islamic activists that hate America?

How about the freedom to be an Islamic state and have a Nuclear weapons programme?
 
I have no problem with fundementalist Islamic activists that hate America. That is their perogative. Fundementalist Islamic activists that hate America & act on that hate with violence need to be killed because their freedom is now overlapping my freedom & my freedom says I have the right to self-protection & self preservation.

Having a nuclear weappon program has nothing to do with being an Islamic state. I never said nor implied that. The nuke club is already too big. It needs no more members. Especially members that back, fund, train or allow terrorists & their associated organizations to operate from their soil.
 
Socialism is not freedom.

In a socialist (read:communist) state, everybody has to work to further the group.

With freedom you eat or starve on your own.
 
Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.'" Allah be Praised.

From LAtimes.com:

BESLAN, Russia — Zalina Dzandarova cradles her son Alan as he sleeps with his small face buried against her stomach. He is the child Dzandarova was able to save. The child she chose to save, really.

It is the other one, little Alana, her 6-year-old daughter, whose image torments her: Alana clutching her hand, Alana crying and calling after her. Alana's sobs disappearing into the distance as Dzandarova walked out of Middle School No. 1 here Thursday, clutching 2-year-old Alan in her arms.

Guerrillas armed with automatic rifles and explosive belts who are holding hundreds of hostages at the small provincial school in southern Russia allowed 26 women and children to leave. About a dozen mothers, like Dzandarova, were allowed to take only one child, forced to leave another behind.

"I didn't want to make this choice," a stunned-looking Dzandarova, 27, said in the reception room of her father-in-law's house a few miles from the school. "People say they are happy that my son and I are saved. But how can I be happy if my daughter's still inside there?"

Violence often selects its victims randomly, but seldom is a mother asked to make a Sophie's choice: Save one child and leave behind another, possibly to face death....

When Alan began to cry from hunger, Dzandarova was allowed to join several other mothers in an adjacent room, which had its own water and was several degrees cooler.

After a former local political leader visited the school Thursday, the women in the adjacent room were told there was "good news": They would be released.

"They said, 'Pack your things quickly, and take your babies with you,' " Dzandarova said.

Shortly after, she learned that she would have to choose between taking her son or her daughter.

Dzandarova had both Alan and Alana with her and made a snap decision to pass Alana to her 16-year-old sister-in-law. But the guerrillas saw through the ruse and refused to allow her to take the older child.

"Alana was clinging to me and holding my hand firmly. But they separated us, and said: 'You go with the boy. Your sister can stay here with her.' I cried. I begged them. Alana cried. The women around us wept. One of the Chechens said: 'If you don't go now, you don't go at all. You stay here with your children … and we will shoot all of you.' "

She couldn't save both of them. She could only die with both of them — or save one of them and herself.

"I didn't have time to think what I was doing," she said. "I pressed Alan even stronger to myself, and I went out, and I heard all the time how my daughter was crying and calling for me behind my back. I thought my heart would break into pieces there and then."

Dzandarova cried as she talked. Her tears fell on Alan, who was sleeping. Even when his mother shook quietly with sobs as she cradled him, he didn't awaken.


The time time for total and complete war against Islamic terrorists and those who support them is 'now'.


http://www.eubusiness.com/

EU-Russia spat over hostage crisis comments

04 September 2004

Russia lashed out Saturday at the European Union (EU)'s Dutch presidency over its call for an explanation from Moscow about the handling of the North Ossetia school hostage crisis that left 322 people dead, half of them children.

That reaction came after the Russian foreign ministry issued a scorching statement saying: "The inappropriate comments of the Dutch minister are, to say the least, odious, and for the large part deeply offensive." Russia was "bewildered and outraged" by the comments, it added.

In the disputed remarks, made in a written statement issued late Friday, the Dutch minister said that: "All countries in the world need to work together to prevent tragedies like this.

"But we also would like to know from the Russian authorities how this tragedy could have happened," he said.

In a televised address on Saturday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the hostage-taking showed that international terrorism was at work in the country.

"In any case, we couldn’t adequately react. We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."

Vowing not to "give in to blackmail," he said: "We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up."

I wonder if Russia will choose 'sensivity' and ask themselves 'why' 'what did we do to deserve this?'


http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3453607 wrote:
Putin Vows to Fight Back as Siege Death Toll Passes 300
By David Stringer, PA News

Russian President Vladimir Putin tonight pledged to fight back against the threat of terrorists as the death toll in the country’s bloody three-day school siege reached 340.

Muslim separatists, including Arab mercenaries, are believed to have been behind the horrific siege.

The kidnappers had demanded a Russian withdrawal of troops from Chechnya in return for the safe release of the hostages.

Mr Putin said: “It seems that we have a choice: To fight them back, or to surrender and allow them to destroy Russia.”

“In general, we need to admit that we did not show an understanding of the complexities and dangers of the processes occurring in our own country and in the world,” Mr Putin added in the sombre address.

“In any case, we couldn’t adequately react. We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten.”

Remember "You're either with us...or with the terrorists"? Has Russia changed its' mind and is now willing to take an active military role in the Global War on Terror?
 
The time time for total and complete war against Islamic terrorists and those who support them is 'now'.

No, no, now is a time for "understanding".

I have to thank you folks. Outside the war on terror, there's zero reason to vote for Bush, and the thought was making me sick to my stomach. Seeing how some of you actually think, I've been forced to re-assess the importance of that single issue. What was making me ill is now the easiest decision I've faced in the last 6 months.

So, Thanks.
 
Hey, don't think I've made myself a target here for his domestic policies.
 
Gonz said:
Address the reason for terrorism.

OK, lets do.

They want a fundamentalist radical Islamic country.

I say no, they can't have it.

End of story?

Ah, fuck it. Easier to kill 'em all.

Edit: Why you think they commit terrorist acts is not the issue, it's why they think they commit terrorist acts that we have to address. I'm glad to see that you are so interested itn their running their own country on their own terms though.

Nice to see it's okay for us to have a fundamentalist radical christian one though.
 
HomeLAN said:
No, no, now is a time for "understanding".

I have to thank you folks. Outside the war on terror, there's zero reason to vote for Bush, and the thought was making me sick to my stomach. Seeing how some of you actually think, I've been forced to re-assess the importance of that single issue. What was making me ill is now the easiest decision I've faced in the last 6 months.

So, Thanks.


Understanding? What's to understand? It's easy: they want to kill everyone who's not a Muslim. Or convert them. If you have your way your grandchildren will have Muslim blood. They literally want to take over the world. Onward Muslim soldiers. On to your destiny. Tell a Muslim terrorist that you want to 'understand' him, that you want to feel his pain. He will laugh in your face and kill more of your innocents; they will go the way of Paul Johnson, Nick Berg, the Korean and Pakastani hostages. Muslim terrorists have cut off heads in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq. They have shot children in the back in Beslan, Russia. They have mutilated corpses and hung them from the bridges of Fallujah. They have taken airplanes and crashed them into our greatest buildings, turning a place of commerce into a graveyard. This is a disease for which there is only one cure. All those who would do violence upon the innocent in the name of "Allah" must be destroyed. It's either us or them. Freedom, righteousness, and self-preservation drive us, bowing to the words of Allah will always drive them:

Ishaq:204 “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”

Ishaq:471 “We are steadfast trusting Him. We have a Prophet by whom we will conquer all men.”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

The war on terror is the most important reason to re-elect G. W. Bush. If that war is lost, there will be nothing left that will matter. You're not going to worry about the economy when there is a knife at your throat, are you?

At this point a vote for Kerry won't matter; he's in the meltdown stage. He's already lost the election. You can tell alot about a man by the way he handles criticism: Americans should be free to call Bush a moron, a liar, a fraud, a deserter, an agent of the House of Saud, a mass murderer, a mass rapist (according to the speaker at a National Organization for Women rally last week) and the new Hitler (according to just about everyone). But how dare anyone talk about John Kerry? It puts him into a downright tizzy! No one has the right to insult Kerry, except possibly Tereza, and only on the day she gives him his allowance. His heart isn't in the race anymore; he's a beaten man and he knows it.
 
chcr said:
Edit: Why you think they commit terrorist acts is not the issue, it's why they think they commit terrorist acts that we have to address. I'm glad to see that you are so interested in their running their own country on their own terms though.

Nice to see it's okay for us to have a fundamentalist radical christian one though.

All the Quran scripture & one line stood out. It is a no bullshit line. There can be no other interpretation. There can be no claim for out of context.
Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah
Nope, not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

It matters not one iota why they think squat. For the fundies, the quote is reason enough. We cannot change that thinking. They can. Until they do, we either allow the tyranny of the few to overtake us or we kill them. Persoanlly I think both options suck. Too bad they didn't give us an out. Kill them.

They are not intersted in fanantical Islam as a government body. Some are, not all. Not by a long shot. They don't stand up to the terrorists because of media hype. 20, 30, 50 years of propaganda can seep into the pores of a society. We're more than a generation from pure peace with these people. If we don't start now then the last three years was for naught. The lives of 3000 people will have been taken for nothing. The nearly 1000 men & women wearing the uniform of the United States Armed Forces who lost their lives and the countless wounded & disfigured in the sands of a violent & backward region will be wasted.

We can win this war, eventually. We can make peace. We must create something from nothing. Understanding why they hate us means nothing. Showing them there's no reason to hate us means everything.
 
Gonz said:
Yep, there goes ole Gonz, imposing freedom on the whole lot, not matter how much they wish to be imprisoned by bondage.



maybe that is all they know and they maybe afraid of another way of life. Forcing your way of life on them is not freedom. giving them the choice to decide for themsleves is.
 
I'm with gonz on this one, mostly.

"Forcing our way of life", is better than them, "Forcing their way of death".

Of coarse anything "extremely radical" in lifestyle/religion is usually bad.
 
It's About Living, Stupid!
Friday, September 03, 2004
By Neil Cavuto

I know I'm the money guy here at FOX News, but I don't think this election year will come down to money issues. No, it's not about the economy, stupid. I think it's about living, stupid.

I think it's about staying safe first, then maybe thinking about getting rich later. After all, it's hard to well, when you're dead!

It's about priorities.

Do you think any of the parents of all those kids killed at the hands of Chechen terrorists in that Russian school are counting their rubles now? Or the families of victims of those two plane crashes in the same country at the hands of the same Chechen terrorists are thinking much about their jobs?

No, it's hard to delight in your riches, when those you want to share them with are dead.

Just try to talk about the economy to any of the 18 families in Israel who lost sons and daughters and mothers and fathers in those twin bus bombings there and see how far you'd get.

And try telling the families of those 12 Nepalese construction workers brutally executed — including one beheaded — that terror doesn't strike those who refuse to mess with terrorists.

Terrorists don't care who you are, or where you come from, with whom you're aligned, or not aligned.

Terrorists have killed rich and poor, those who represent countries fighting terrorists and many more who want nothing to do with terrorists.

It doesn't matter. Neutrality doesn't protect them. Wealth doesn't save them.

They are all targets. We are all targets.

It's hard to think about making money when you're burying a son or a daughter, a mom or a dad.

No, saying “it's the economy, stupid” is like shouting to the world that you really are stupid.

I'm happy more of the jobless are finding jobs. I'd just be a lot happier if more of the terrorists were losing theirs.
 
catocom said:
I'm with gonz on this one, mostly.

"Forcing our way of life", is better than them, "Forcing their way of death".

Of coarse anything "extremely radical" in lifestyle/religion is usually bad.



how so? what if they want the death? they dont but think about it. we go there to "liberate" them. course its also not altrusitic. I am sure they know this too.
 
If they want death we'll be happy to supply it. We don't want death & they are happy to supply it anyway. If they want death something is wrong in the wiring anyway.

Thank's to Neil Cavuto:
We are all targets.
 
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