There is only one worthwhile post in this thread so far and that's it. Each side has their agenda, please don't fool yourselves into believing that that agenda has something to do with what is best for you. They are simply trying to engage themselves with the highest number of people they can in the hopes that they get elected, so then they can push said agenda on you even further, until one day it's pushed on you so much that you start to believe it and follow their thinking.chcr said:Liberal: You should do what we say, believe everything we tell you to and feel the way we tell you to feel because we wouldn't steer you wrong and you're incapable of thinking for yourselves.
Conservative: You should do what we say, believe everything we tell you to and feel the way we tell you to feel because we wouldn't steer you wrong and you're incapable of thinking for yourselves.
The basis for Liberalism is DEATH!
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Winky
Well-Known Member
Man you are NO fun!
I ask you to state an example of one of your supposed Gray areas
( I did didn't I? oh well I meant too) and what do I get?
Sorry that is largely unintelligible to me.
So I'll try again:
Give me a clear example of a grey area
An 'unambiguous' lol gray area.
Over the years I've never had anyone of you libs be able
to do it and it always resulted in the libby under torture going berserk with rage.
Are you any different?
Oh And I apologize for misinterpreting your post regarding your use of mind altering substances.
( I did read it by the way).
Regarding your inquiry into the likelihood of a misstatement in a previous post.
It was a conversation between a father and a daughter talking about how mommie has
multiple sex partners because both parents are in an ‘open relationship’.
You could have more accurately attacked the daughters’ response of:
“But Daddy I don’t wanna be a whore!”
But then I'd have pointed out that a pre-teen or teenager wouldn’t make such a fine distinction between.
Having sex for money and having multiple sex partners lol
Not once have you mentioned the word marriage and unless I’ve totally fucked up again
my original supposition was
Adultery is about marriage right not some mythical relationship!
Just as in my book you can’t call yourself ‘married’ if your Steve and Beav.
You cannot claim to be married if your doinkin’ other people.
So convert this “the world is black and white” guy
into your way of seeing the gray areas!
I ask you to state an example of one of your supposed Gray areas
( I did didn't I? oh well I meant too) and what do I get?
freako104 said:
Sorry that is largely unintelligible to me.
So I'll try again:
Give me a clear example of a grey area
An 'unambiguous' lol gray area.
Over the years I've never had anyone of you libs be able
to do it and it always resulted in the libby under torture going berserk with rage.
Are you any different?
Oh And I apologize for misinterpreting your post regarding your use of mind altering substances.
( I did read it by the way).
Regarding your inquiry into the likelihood of a misstatement in a previous post.
It was a conversation between a father and a daughter talking about how mommie has
multiple sex partners because both parents are in an ‘open relationship’.
You could have more accurately attacked the daughters’ response of:
“But Daddy I don’t wanna be a whore!”
But then I'd have pointed out that a pre-teen or teenager wouldn’t make such a fine distinction between.
Having sex for money and having multiple sex partners lol
Not once have you mentioned the word marriage and unless I’ve totally fucked up again
my original supposition was
Winky said:
Adultery is about marriage right not some mythical relationship!
Just as in my book you can’t call yourself ‘married’ if your Steve and Beav.
You cannot claim to be married if your doinkin’ other people.
So convert this “the world is black and white” guy
into your way of seeing the gray areas!
Winky
Well-Known Member
Tell me PT that you aren't using the
"both sides are the same" cop out.
That's as funny as the folks that say
I'm not a Liberal I'm a *insert whatever here*
and proceed to spew the commie line.
So both sides want to tax us into oblivion
they want to impose their own set of morality
(or in the case of the Dems immorality)
and as you've stated all 'they' want is to get re-elected.
Well My Son told me that politics doesn't matter
that he never intends to vote that he can not have any influence on the events in Washington DC or elsewhere and that wasting time thinking about or debating political issues is just that, a waste of time. Time that could be better spent ‘invested’ if you will in the pursuit of our own individual lives. He’s right you know.
Yep I'm going down Monday and deregister from the Republican Party and never spend one millisecond considering anything that doesn't concern me ever again.
Oh and did I mention that I think that most lauded post is a cop out?
"both sides are the same" cop out.
That's as funny as the folks that say
I'm not a Liberal I'm a *insert whatever here*
and proceed to spew the commie line.
So both sides want to tax us into oblivion
they want to impose their own set of morality
(or in the case of the Dems immorality)
and as you've stated all 'they' want is to get re-elected.
Well My Son told me that politics doesn't matter
that he never intends to vote that he can not have any influence on the events in Washington DC or elsewhere and that wasting time thinking about or debating political issues is just that, a waste of time. Time that could be better spent ‘invested’ if you will in the pursuit of our own individual lives. He’s right you know.
Yep I'm going down Monday and deregister from the Republican Party and never spend one millisecond considering anything that doesn't concern me ever again.
Oh and did I mention that I think that most lauded post is a cop out?
freako104
Well-Known Member
who said it being about money for sex? I said polyamoury. Now I will say this: your post that I am replying to is worthwhile. The others just seemed silly. Like you did not want a debate or something. so thanks for at least trying this time. It is appreciated. Now back to subject. I could have BUT you will notice that in my post that I want my children to gain their own. IE since I said I am monogmy all the way I will say my gf/wife is ok? Now we have a son/daughter.If she chooses to be a slut/whore thats on her. If she chooses polyamoury that is also on her. Monogomy is too. So when the daughter says that her mother could say "you dont have to. If you want only one person then it is a blessing"
grey area/ambiguous: I usually will go wiht Evil since it is probably the easiest to work with. The reason I say this is grey is for a simple reason. It is in perspective. what some call evil some see as good. Some people see America as evil. I wish they would not but they have their reasons.
now the straight edge: I did. I do not anymore but I am not straight edge either. I do drink from time to time and even if only in a relationship will have sex(note I did not say marriage. just relationship so I can sleep with girlfriend. I will not though have any one night stands nor do I smoke Marlboros or anything else. so I dont know but thats not exactly straight edge. that was why I got confused when you called me that)
now let me ask this
a couple has been together a long time. they both have several other partners. they choose to marry each other but continue to see the other partners. Nobody is hurt. They are happy in their situation. and the state has already given them all the marriage liscence and whatever else they need. why are they not married? state says so. already had the wedding. not getting divorced.
grey area/ambiguous: I usually will go wiht Evil since it is probably the easiest to work with. The reason I say this is grey is for a simple reason. It is in perspective. what some call evil some see as good. Some people see America as evil. I wish they would not but they have their reasons.
now the straight edge: I did. I do not anymore but I am not straight edge either. I do drink from time to time and even if only in a relationship will have sex(note I did not say marriage. just relationship so I can sleep with girlfriend. I will not though have any one night stands nor do I smoke Marlboros or anything else. so I dont know but thats not exactly straight edge. that was why I got confused when you called me that)
now let me ask this
a couple has been together a long time. they both have several other partners. they choose to marry each other but continue to see the other partners. Nobody is hurt. They are happy in their situation. and the state has already given them all the marriage liscence and whatever else they need. why are they not married? state says so. already had the wedding. not getting divorced.
Winky
Well-Known Member
Freaker Dood we might be getting somewhere!
Hey thx buddy I learned a new word.
Now any word that's not 'yet' in the dictionary
always causes me a bit of skepticism ya know
just cuz rim-job isn't in Merriam-Webster’s doesn't
mean it's not an acceptable and hygienically safe means of gratification lol j/k
polyamoury
Also I realized that when you wrote (typed) this as a response for my request of a gray area example:
grey area/ambiguous: I usually will go wiht Evil since it is probably the easiest to work with. The reason I say this is grey is for a simple reason. It is in perspective. what some call evil some see as good. Some people see America as evil. I wish they would not but they have their reasons.
You are either completely clueless or I am making a complete f*cking fool out of myself by continuing to attempt to engage you in any contiguous series of thought patterns. (prolly both huh Dood?)
Now please don't take offense Aw Hell go ahead
I have realized my error and couldn't care less...
L8r
Hey thx buddy I learned a new word.
Now any word that's not 'yet' in the dictionary
always causes me a bit of skepticism ya know
just cuz rim-job isn't in Merriam-Webster’s doesn't
mean it's not an acceptable and hygienically safe means of gratification lol j/k
polyamoury
Also I realized that when you wrote (typed) this as a response for my request of a gray area example:
grey area/ambiguous: I usually will go wiht Evil since it is probably the easiest to work with. The reason I say this is grey is for a simple reason. It is in perspective. what some call evil some see as good. Some people see America as evil. I wish they would not but they have their reasons.
You are either completely clueless or I am making a complete f*cking fool out of myself by continuing to attempt to engage you in any contiguous series of thought patterns. (prolly both huh Dood?)
Now please don't take offense Aw Hell go ahead
I have realized my error and couldn't care less...
L8r
chcr
Too cute for words
Wink, you may see that post as a cop-out, I see it as the gospel truth. The rhetoric is certainly different, perhaps the ultimate goals are different (I'm not sure even most of the liberals or conservatives have any clear idea of what their goals are) but their means are very nearly identical. They spoon feed you an alarming mixture of rhetoric, propaganda, half-truths (those are lies, no grey area there, IMO) and try to shock you with horror stories of "what's going to happen if the other guys get power" then expect you to follow their lead with unquestioning fervor and support (the plain truth is that nothing much will change one way or the other for the average citizen no matter who is in power). Sorry, no can do. When someone tells me they'll do something "for my own good" I place one hand on my wallet, duck my head and look around wildly to see where the shit is going to come from. Evidently, this makes me a liberal. I think people are too careless throwing the liberal and conservative labels around. There are liberals and conservatives, but most people are not one or the other, although many people certainly lean toward one or the other. This whole "you're either with us or against us" mentality is tearing the country apart. Interestingly, I always thought we were all Americans first. Evidently I have that wrong.
For years & years I listened to & believed many of the lies spread by the left. Hell, I am a product of the Vietnam War generation style politics (born in 1963). I bought most of it. Especially the eco-stuff. As time went on, I noticed the left leading down a path that had wandered from the consequences of our actions methodology to the if we aren't allowed to do it we're all gonna die thought process. More importantly, it turned evan farther left (how does one surpass 180°??) and became MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME.
Since I had a life & a number of jobs, I didn't have time to examine all the intricacies of the lies. With the invention of the internet & a decent computer I decided to verify what I had been told, over & over & over & over again for more than 30 years. Guess what...virtually everything the liberal commie socialist Democrat wing of the destroy America first movement had holes so big I could drive my truck thru them.
On the other hand, the alarmist conservative movement, while entertaining to watch but overzealous with their we're all gonna die mantra was miles closer to the facts than any of us had been led to believe. Even idiots like Falwell & Robertson had it right. They spread their message without forethought to marketing & let truth rear its ugly head. People don't wannt hear facts, they wish to let emotions rule...it feels better. Think about it...the saying "I think..." has been replaced with "I feel...".
The agenda of the right is personal responsibility.
The agenda of the left is share the wealth.
Only one creates growth, personally & financially.
Since I had a life & a number of jobs, I didn't have time to examine all the intricacies of the lies. With the invention of the internet & a decent computer I decided to verify what I had been told, over & over & over & over again for more than 30 years. Guess what...virtually everything the liberal commie socialist Democrat wing of the destroy America first movement had holes so big I could drive my truck thru them.
On the other hand, the alarmist conservative movement, while entertaining to watch but overzealous with their we're all gonna die mantra was miles closer to the facts than any of us had been led to believe. Even idiots like Falwell & Robertson had it right. They spread their message without forethought to marketing & let truth rear its ugly head. People don't wannt hear facts, they wish to let emotions rule...it feels better. Think about it...the saying "I think..." has been replaced with "I feel...".
The agenda of the right is personal responsibility.
The agenda of the left is share the wealth.
Only one creates growth, personally & financially.
Thulsa Doom
New Member
wrong. the agenda of BOTH sides is "Live the way I think is right." They just happen to be working from different definitions. Once you accept this truth then you can get into the normal small minded mud slinging as is daily demonstrated in this forum.
Thulsa Doom
New Member
the micro level is where you get your different definitions (tax loop holes for the rich. welfare for the needy). The macro level is where you see behavior patterns are fundamentally the same (live MY way because its the right way!). This is how the human animal has always been and will always be.
freako104
Well-Known Member
Most dont Gonz. Because that is what the majority has shown. I will be honest about me being liberal. It is because I tend not to agree with conservatives nor the religious right. I tend to want people to think for themselves. Live their own lives. and what the hell was with your comment on me having kids? I did say teach them rght and wrong but let them grow up and develop their own morals. Its what my parents taught me so I learned it. besides if you take any kind of psych course namely developmental it has been shown that morals are developed as the child grows.
Yes TD...the differences lie at the micro level. Where we've changed, dramatically, is not that long ago, Americans fought on the micro level & traveled the same macro path. We had the same ideals, we only argued over the path to achieve them. We no longer care to arrive at the same dstination.
My god freak, you've caught us. Yes ladies & gentlemen, the conservative & the (presumably) religious of this country believe the rest of you should be mentally incoherent, inefficient & illogical. Do not follow your own path. No, take the little pill & follow only the path set before you.
Take a psych course. Learn that children will develop morals, as if by magic.
freako said:
My god freak, you've caught us. Yes ladies & gentlemen, the conservative & the (presumably) religious of this country believe the rest of you should be mentally incoherent, inefficient & illogical. Do not follow your own path. No, take the little pill & follow only the path set before you.
Take a psych course. Learn that children will develop morals, as if by magic.
freako104
Well-Known Member
erm no. they develop them. unless your a dumbass you would know this. hell look at a kid versus an adult. Do you see any difference in their morals? if not you are blind.
Most conservatives I agree with will say what I said Mark. That they want people to think for themselves. there are a few who try to change other beliefs. This is mostly the religious right. I have not met a liberal who does.
Most conservatives I agree with will say what I said Mark. That they want people to think for themselves. there are a few who try to change other beliefs. This is mostly the religious right. I have not met a liberal who does.
