The Great Emancipator

Gonz said:
Imagine living in that place you've described. It falls between heaven & slavery. Pick one.
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And here comes the slavery part. Not even half of the white Southern population owned slaves. I believe the right figure is 1% actually. Yes, some were cruel. But I refer to a few quote for the rest. From 'The South Was Right!' by James and Walter Kennedy.

"Aunt" Adeline, Fayetteville, AR
After the war many soldiers [Yankees] came to my mistress, Mrs. Blakely, trying to make her free me. I told them I was free but I did not want to go anywhere, that I wanted to stay in the only home that I ever known....Sometimes I was threatened for not leaving but I stayed on.
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This was common for many former slaves after the war. This is why black people fought for the South-to protect their way of living. The one's that didn't like it went up North, and got treated just the same, or sometimes worse than their former owners did. The state of Illinois even passed a law forbidding blacks to enter their state.

So yes, slavery was a horrible thing, but it was going to die off on its own when industrialism spread South. That's what Southerners argued. The North just didn't want to listen, because they freed their slaves long ago. That made their cause holy.
 
When one region then does not gain from those dollars, it ceases being fair. Right?
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Not necessarily. Let's use ND as an example..nobody cares what happens to them ;)

ND has X miles of federally mandated interstates. ND also has one tenth the population of California. More federal gas taxes need, by population & useage, to go to CA than ND. In part because the roads won't deteriorate as quickly when there are 39 cars per mile vs 321 cars per mile.

What yuo're describing is a breakdown of capitalism. If there was tonnage to be moved & nobody doing the moving, there was a breakdown but it shouldn't have been the government business.
 
FluerVanderloo said:
And here comes the slavery part. Not even half of the white Southern population owned slaves. I believe the right figure is 1% actually. Yes, some were cruel. But I refer to a few quote for the rest. From 'The South Was Right!' by James and Walter Kennedy.



This was common for many former slaves after the war. This is why black people fought for the South-to protect their way of living. The one's that didn't like it went up North, and got treated just the same, or sometimes worse than their former owners did. The state of Illinois even passed a law forbidding blacks to enter their state.

So yes, slavery was a horrible thing, but it was going to die off on its own when industrialism spread South. That's what Southerners argued. The North just didn't want to listen, because they freed their slaves long ago. That made their cause holy.
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You are so gonna get it. The cause is holy...much like today & spreading democracy & freedom to those in bondage still.
 
Gonz said:
If there was tonnage to be moved & nobody doing the moving, there was a breakdown but it shouldn't have been the government business.
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It shouldn't have been, but it was. One of the final straws where economy was concerned were the astronomical tariffs placed on exported cotton. Tax the hell out of them, then take away their profit.
 
Gonz said:
What yuo're describing is a breakdown of capitalism. If there was tonnage to be moved & nobody doing the moving, there was a breakdown but it shouldn't have been the government business.
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I agree. Lincoln made it the government's business to take care of his pet industrialists.

If you wanna argue use of federally funded projects, go right ahead. I bet I could have made textiles and steel in Georgia in 1850 before you could have grown cotton, tobacco, or grain in Vermont. THAT's what the war was over...the Yankees were gonna go cold and hungry without us, but they didn't want to share their toys or their money.
 
So what you are saying is that the Southren states were poor and filled with losers. Whats changed?
 
didyounotsayjustaboutthesamethingthatthesouthwrenerswerejustifiedincedingbecuasetheywerepoorandstupid?
 
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