Tibor Kalman on Social Responsibility (Web Site Design)

MrBishop

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Tibor Kalman on Social Responsibility
Tibor Kalman was born in Budapest and raised in suburban New York. He was educated at New York University and on the streets of New York City. In 1968 he started working for the company that became Barnes & Noble. In 1979 he founded M&Co. He was art director at Artforum, creative director of Interview, and the founding editor in chief of Colors, for which he edited the first thirteen issues. In 1993 he suspended M&Co. and moved with his family to Rome. In 1995 he left Colors and reanimated M&Co. to work primarily on noncommercial projects.

Since returning to the United States, are you happy or are you disappointed in where design as a community has gone?

I'm disappointed. A couple of things bother me: One is the extent to which technology has evolved. The evolution of technology has been tremendous. I'm not computer-literate at all. And at the risk of being thought an old fogey, I mistrust what computers do to ideas. But given the impact of computers within the design world, the impact of computers on photography, the impact of the Web, I think that there has been a really fundamental sea change, a kind of shift of the critical mass.

For better? For worse?

For both. It's made it much easier for designers to become more responsible about the things that go through their studios. That's an opportunity that right now is wasted.

Wasted in what sense?

It's wasted on obfuscation. It's wasted on trashy kind of commercialism instead of even cool commercialism. It's wasted on corporate Web sites that are pointless. I think a thing like the Levi's Web site, which everybody talks about as being a really cool, is useless because they haven't figured out what it should do. If they could figure out what it could do, it would be revolutionary, but designers are failing to do that. Again, they're failing to consider that content begets form, not vice versa you can't get around that. If something is useless it does not mean that it won't sell. Look at the stuff on the shelves at Kmart, watch the home shopping channel.

Has the word "cool" replaced "meaningful"?

Well, I think the word "cool" has replaced the word "content." If you have enough attitude in your work, if it's cool enough, then it doesn't matter that there's no content. The best example of this is David Carson. It's cool, and so it doesn't need to say anything. And I think this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what design is. Because it's just a language. It's just a means of communicating. It's a medium. It's not a message. It doesn't have any message in it unless somebody comes along and puts a message in it. Just because you make something cool doesn't mean that it is something. If nothing is cool, then it's nothing. And that's why this sort of work is disappointing for me.

And yet you feel that given this new technology, designers have more power and therefore should have more responsibility?

Because of the technology, we have the opportunity to become really important. We don't need publishers anymore to do this. Just look at the Web designers, they can single-handedly reach the world eventually with full-motion video and stereo sound. We can do this for free, we can all do it at home, not only designers, but also everybody else in the world. So I am excited by it because I am hoping that people are going to be serious enough to not be constantly in search of something that's just cool, but to be in search of ideas that can eventually begin to fill these huge empty vessels of technology.

Are you gearing up to preach to the design community again?

No. Yes. No. I'm just trying to do good work. I'm trying to make it really hard on myself, and I'm trying to make it really hard on my audience, and I'm trying to do work that just leaps forward. That's what I want.


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Interesting, Bish...But I think he assumes too much of the target audience for those design projects....The typical online viewer is more affected by shiney than functional, IMO.

It keeps bringing to mind the unibombers manifesto for some reason. A sound argument against technology but somehow out of step with the world....and, more than likely, way ahead of the rest of us.
 
:lol2: Only you, Gonz, would call an idea backed with FACTS pompose while enthusiastically accepting any and all supositions and conjectures thinly supported by inuendo that Bush spews forth...
 
Huh? The Tibor Kalman piece is purely opinion & shack boy is mentally deranged.
 
The manifesto is a sound piece of writing. And worth reading if you haven't...:D

besides..it never bothers you that Dubya is mentally deranged
 
All the time...:p Just not when Gonz opens the door...we call it humor Ink...You seem to understand it as long as its not about Dubya. Are you sexually attracted to him or something?
 
Squiggy said:
Interesting, Bish...But I think he assumes too much of the target audience for those design projects....The typical online viewer is more affected by shiney than functional, IMO.

It keeps bringing to mind the unibombers manifesto for some reason. A sound argument against technology but somehow out of step with the world....and, more than likely, way ahead of the rest of us.

It's not a matter of functionality, so much as a statement by one web-designer to others like him (a call to arms, if you will), to design great web-sites and to have more control over what type of sites they design, and for whom. I'll try and find another interview by him. His basic thrust is that the internet is filled with either porn , gambling, or useless crappy pages. Since the gambling sites and the porn sites have the most money, they get the best looking sites. He's asking designers to take a hit in salary in order to increase the number/percentage of educational, moral, fun sites over the dirtier 'get rich quick' sites.

It's 'heavy thinking IMHO'
 
OK..Gotcha now...I was reading more into his disappointment with the technology as opposed to his disappointment with its application...
 
Bish, you are the GOD of cool threads....

I've been a Tibor Kalman fan ever since I saw this exhibit at SFMOMA: http://www.sfmoma.org/exhibitions/exhib_detail/99_exhib_tibor_kalman.html

I have tremendous respect for Kalman, and not just because he's a visionary designer, but because his vision includes his CONSCIENCE. The dilemma he addresses is not limited to the world of design, imho, but is an issue that every profession now needs to examine. Inasmuch as design is an all-pervasive part of our world, perhaps the designer today has a greater responsibility to think about this. However, a cursory look at the world we now inhabit shows that this type of soul-searching is vanishing.... :( Young people see corporate leaders rewarded for driving companies into bankruptcy, accounting practices become ever more flexible and old notions of honesty and loyalty are seen as frivolous in today's 'leaner and meaner' business world. Instead, we're left with a corporate (and design) culture that has all the depth of veneer.

Bravo Kalman! Bravo Mr Bishop for starting this thread... :clap:
 
Squiggy said:
All the time...:p Just not when Gonz opens the door...we call it humor Ink...You seem to understand it as long as its not about Dubya. Are you sexually attracted to him or something?

It's funny the first few times. And what's with the "you didn't like my Bush joke the three-millionth time I told basically the same one, so you must want him to fuck you gently in the ass"?
 
Inkara1 said:
Do you ever pass up an opportunity to take another potshot at Bush?

It's my only worthwhile pastime. Did you hear the one where he compared himself and Arnie? "both of us not being able to speak the English language". He said it! :lol:
 
Inkara1 said:
It's funny the first few times. And what's with the "you didn't like my Bush joke the three-millionth time I told basically the same one, so you must want him to fuck you gently in the ass"?


So how many times have you seen Monica brought up? How many times did you complain about it? If you didn't find it funny, don't laugh...:shrug:
 
Because those jokes are rare now. I got tired of them in 1998. Now that it's five years later, the subject doesn't come up as often, so the occasional reference gets a little chuckle. As it is right now, you and Flavio not only seem to take every opportunity to insult the president, you reach to create opportunities where none previously existed. This thread, for example. You took Gonz's statement that it's pompous, and responded with an ad hominem attack: "yeah, but you support Bush."

If the potshot is funny, not overused and in the right context, I'll laugh too. Witness the "Iran deemed an immediate threat" flavio posted with a link to a story on the discovery of a new oil field in Iran. In that case, the context was right and the joke hadn't been extremely overused.
 
BeardofPants said:
It's my only worthwhile pastime. Did you hear the one where he compared himself and Arnie? "both of us not being able to speak the English language". He said it! :lol:
Where did you get that direct quote from? Either you got fed some bad information, or you twisted it into something that supports your views. The actual quote:
Dubya said:
We did have a good visit, and during that visit I was able to reflect upon how much we have in common. We both married well. Some accuse us both of not being able to speak the language. We both have big biceps. Well, two out of three isn't bad. We both love our country. Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to be a fine and strong leader for California. I'm proud to call him friend.
Full text of Bush's speech in San Bernardino, CA on October 16
There's an audio stream if you don't believe what's written.
 
Well, I think the word "cool" has replaced the word "content." If you have enough attitude in your work, if it's cool enough, then it doesn't matter that there's no content.

in the wider design community this is a sad and infuriating reality.
 
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