UN Report: No Sudanese genocide

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ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) - Sudan's foreign minister said Monday a U.N. report concluded that no genocide was committed in his country's Darfur region, where tens of thousands of civilians have died in a nearly two-year crisis.

At U.N. headquarters in New York, diplomats confirmed that the report did not find that Sudan had committed genocide, but they said it was very critical of Sudanese government actions. The report was expected to be circulated in New York on Tuesday.
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I am so glad people like Kerry want them to take care of the world.
 
Excuse me? Trust them? It says there in nothing happening when, clearly, a few million people are DEAD!!!!
 
Well thank goodness.
I was concerned that blood-thristy Islamic
Arab hordes were killing Christians but if
Coffee Anon's righteous orginazation sez everthing is A-OK
then certainly there's nothing to worry about!

Wheew, that was a close one.
 
AlladinSane said:
So don't you think situation is worse than in Iraq?
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Careful...You're treading upon one of the UN's mandates...peace at any price...The UN doesn't give a rat's ass about the people in Sudan. The UN didn't give a rat's ass about the people in Iraq until the US got involved. The UN doesn't give a rat's ass about the people in Venezuela. *The UN didn't give a rat's ass about the tsunami until the US got involved. Shall I go on, or just sum it up as the UN doesn't give a rat's ass unless the US gets involved.

*Notice that the UN took 11 days to even have a meeting in Jakarta, and used that as a critique of the actions of the folks who started coordinating aid first...mainly the US, the Australians, and the Thai.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Careful...You're treading upon one of the UN's mandates...peace at any price...The UN doesn't give a rat's ass about the people in Sudan. The UN didn't give a rat's ass about the people in Iraq until the US got involved. The UN doesn't give a rat's ass about the people in Venezuela. *The UN didn't give a rat's ass about the tsunami until the US got involved. Shall I go on, or just sum it up as the UN doesn't give a rat's ass unless the US gets involved.

*Notice that the UN took 11 days to even have a meeting in Jakarta, and used that as a critique of the actions of the folks who started coordinating aid first...mainly the US, the Australians, and the Thai.
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They most certainly do care about people.
Eh, just the ones that can line their pockets though. :confuse3:
 
AlladinSane said:
So don't you think situation is worse than in Iraq?
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Who cares, what they need to do is declare themselves enemies of the US and spawn some serious terrorist cells and then we will come in wreck their shit and build them a real nice shiney new country! lol
 
catocom said:
They most certainly do care about people.
Eh, just the ones that can line their pockets though. :confuse3:
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Makes 'em typical politicians in my opinion. :D
 
catocom said:
They most certainly do care about people.
Eh, just the ones that can line their pockets though. :confuse3:
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And you don't care right? Why chosing Iraq over Sudan then? Or Sierra Leoa? I'm waiting patiently for W Bush effotrts to 'liberate' other countries from tyrannic opression. Sudan would be a natural follow-on, but the pro-war crowd here doesn't seem so willing to justify Sudan as they were with Iraq. I can see the very same reasons brought to justify Iraq invasion be applied to Sudan(except oil of course).
Winky said:
Who cares, what they need to do is declare themselves enemies of the US and spawn some serious terrorist cells and then we will come in wreck their shit and build them a real nice shiney new country! lol
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Wake-up Willys! They are already there! Where do you think Osama was hidden before going into Afghanistan? Do you think he was on vacation trip? Sudan is much more a terrorist sponsor the Iraq ever was. BTW Saudi Arabia also...
 
AlladinSane said:
And you don't care right? Why chosing Iraq over Sudan then? Or Sierra Leoa? I'm waiting patiently for W Bush effotrts to 'liberate' other countries from tyrannic opression. Sudan would be a natural follow-on, but the pro-war crowd here doesn't seem so willing to justify Sudan as they were with Iraq. I can see the very same reasons brought to justify Iraq invasion be applied to Sudan(except oil of course).
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Why not? I'll answer that. Because we're tied up elsewhere. Do you think the US is so full of military members that we could waltz, willy-nilly, all over the globe with impunity? BTW...Sudan has quite a bit of oil...Sierra Leone as well...too bad we didn't go to war with Iraq over that, isn't it? Besides...the French, saviors of the world, are already there...Why don't you get them to do something? ;)

AlladinSane said:
Wake-up Willys! They are already there! Where do you think Osama was hidden before going into Afghanistan? Sudan is much more a terrorist sponsor the Iraq ever was. BTW Saudi Arabia also...
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So what's your point? We have to fight who you say? That's kind of arrogant, isn't it?
 
AlladinSane said:
And you don't care right?
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Wrong
AlladinSane said:
Why chosing Iraq over Sudan then? Or Sierra Leoa?
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I'm not, we may get to those places eventually.
AlladinSane said:
I'm waiting patiently for W Bush effotrts to 'liberate' other countries from tyrannic opression. Sudan would be a natural follow-on, but the pro-war crowd here doesn't seem so willing to justify Sudan as they were with Iraq. I can see the very same reasons brought to justify Iraq invasion be applied to Sudan(except oil of course).
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yep. I think Iran or Syria is probably next on the list though. :shrug:
It may depent on the nex pres., or the next...?


Oh yeah, and what Gato said too. :D
 
Gato_Solo said:
Why not? I'll answer that. Because we're tied up elsewhere. Do you think the US is so full of military members that we could waltz, willy-nilly, all over the globe with impunity?
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I know that. It could be the next step though. Or could have been before instead of Iraq.

BTW...Sudan has quite a bit of oil...Sierra Leone as well...too bad we didn't go to war with Iraq over that, isn't it?
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Gato, Gato, you can be so naive to think money or power involve just crude extraction of resources. Do you really believe this was made all out of good nature? Really? I mean you don't need to extract all the Iraqi oil to make that good business. It's natural that keeping such reserves is good deal. Is natural that negotiating rebuilding contracts is good deal. Is logical that taking out a dictatorship that was threatening to negotiate his oil only in Euros and could set a bad precedent is a good move. All the international affairs are about money and power. The russians do it. The french. Hell even Tuvalu would love to have a piece of the cake. Everyone with a bit of common sense can see it. Though you people seem to be the only ones claiming to be above this matters and do it 'just by your hearts'. Sorry I'm not buying it :shrug:

Besides...the French, saviors of the world, are already there...Why don't you get them to do something? ;)
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Well because you are the, how was that it was said in this forums, Leaders of The Free World? It's just that I don't see any french blatantly claiming his country is all the good that exists in the world.

So what's your point? We have to fight who you say? That's kind of arrogant, isn't it?
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My point is, when confronted about the real reasons over invading Iraq, you all made a very strong effort to list only humanitarian reasons. Of how good you are to liberate the poor Iraqis and how that war doesn't have anything to do with money or power. Well I'm just stating you that Sudan and other nations fullfills the very same requirements. I'm not ordering you to invade this or that country, just reminding that is better your next actions keep up with your speech if you want to be taken seriously
I said before and I'll do it again. If you say let's get the bastards because they're stepping in our toes, it's ok for me. But don't throw that "We're good, they're bad" thing at me. While you do, expect me to be the voice that will point out your flaws...
 
AlladinSane said:
My point is, when confronted about the real reasons over invading Iraq, you all made a very strong effort to list only humanitarian reasons. Of how good you are to liberate the poor Iraqis and how that war doesn't have anything to do with money or power. Well I'm just stating you that Sudan and other nations fullfills the very same requirements. I'm not ordering you to invade this or that country, just reminding that is better your next actions keep up with your speech if you want to be taken seriously
I said before and I'll do it again. If you say let's get the bastards because they're stepping in our toes, it's ok for me. But don't throw that "We're good, they're bad" thing at me. While you do, expect me to be the voice that will point out your flaws...
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And when the humanitarian reasons are pointed out, you ignore them completely, and focus only on money and power. How quaint. ;) When similarities between two areas that you point out, and Iraq, are compared, you downplay those, and claim hypocrisy on the part of our government. How predictable. It's quite easy to point out somebody elses flaws, isn't it? Much easier to deal with that, than to deal with your own...
 
Just as it is easier to point out UN flaws instead of your own. As for my flaws, you're free to call my attention whenever I act unaccordingly to what I say...
 
AlladinSane said:
Just as it is easier to point out UN flaws instead of your own. As for my flaws, you're free to call my attention whenever I act unaccordingly to what I say...
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That's because when fired upon, we like to return fire. :p It's our right.

Now for question and answer time...I'll ask questions, and you can answer them. Please number your answers, so we can all tell which question you're answering each time, and, at the end, you can sum it up with a short paragraph, mmkay?

1. Since it has now become clear that Iraq did not possess any WMD's at all, why did most of the world, including Iraq (up until the US decided to invade), swear that they did?

2. If the US was only interested in leveraging oil futures, why is our deficit spending at an all-time high, and our economy poised to take a big dive? Since you, yourself, tend to think this was about money and power, it'll be nice to hear your opinion on that one...

3. If the UN is so interested in the health, wealth, and well-being of the whole worlds population, why does it continually act against the worlds best interests, and fail to react to emergencies in a timely manner?
 
Of how good you are to liberate the poor Iraqis and how that war doesn't have anything to do with money or power.
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Who the hell said that? It has everything to do with money & power. Our buildings get blown up & it costs us billions. In order to save billions we need to take care of a few loose ends. One of those includes putting Iraq on our re-order list. We gave multiple reasons as to why we needed to take action. Among them was humanitarian reasons. As was security issues. Do you really beleive you are told 10% of what is really going on over there...or has gone on? It's amazing how, just days after the successful Iraq election, not one liberal has gone out of their way to congratualte those people on having the balls to stand up to terrorism. You people have gone out of your way to ignore or circumvent. Every time our "moronic", "stupid", power hungry oil eating President has said we plan something, he's done it. Everytime our President has been told someting is too hard, he ignores people like you & gets the job done. Everytime our President is told it's ompossible, he goes around you naysayers & experts & gets the job done. No wonder the liberals have lost 2 elections in the last two months. They can't do anything.

BTW, do you have a single shred of proof that our President is enriching himself from Iraqi oil?
 
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