What are the symptoms...

flavio said:
There's always that theory at the bottom the the article you linked to
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Yes, I like the way that anything he doesn't have a counter for and does fit into this agenda is "stupidity".. to each his own prejudice I suppose.. :shrug:
 
a13antichrist said:
Yes, I like the way that anything he doesn't have a counter for and does fit into this agenda is "stupidity".. to each his own prejudice I suppose.. :shrug:
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I'm not the one who stupidly said that there was an attack using WMD's, nor am I the person who stupidly decided to try and turn this thread into some kind of joke by following stupidity number one. What I said, in a nutshell, is that the symptoms for pneumonia and choking agent poisons are remarkably similar...almost exactly the same, and raised a possibility that your psyche didn't want to listen to. Since you cannot form an intelligent rebuttal, you tried to make a joke.
 
BBC said:
Colonel DeFraites said statistically the rates of infection and even deaths connected to troops in Iraq would not be considered unusual, given the fact that pneumonia remains common and a large bulk of the US forces were in the region.

Heat and sandstorms can be hazardous to health
Worldwide, the US army treats between 400 and 500 of its personnel for pneumonia each year, and there are on average three deaths a year from the disease.

Two-thirds of the most severe recent cases occurred in Iraq, but pneumonia has also hit troops in Qatar and Uzbekistan.
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It could be nothing more vile than stress induced. These (you) guys are under a great deal of pressure in a hostile environment (for most). My original thought was it could be dispersed contaminents in ths soil but with the last paragraph, that somewhat diminishes that theory.
 
Gato_Solo said:
I'm not the one who stupidly said that there was an attack using WMD's, nor am I the person who stupidly decided to try and turn this thread into some kind of joke by following stupidity number one. What I said, in a nutshell, is that the symptoms for pneumonia and choking agent poisons are remarkably similar...almost exactly the same, and raised a possibility that your psyche didn't want to listen to. Since you cannot form an intelligent rebuttal, you tried to make a joke.
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Just because people don't want to jump on board with your wacky theories is no reason to start throwing around insults. There's a perfectly reasonable theory at the bottom of the article you linked to, but nobody else jumped to the nutty conclusions you did you have get all frustrated and start slinging around insults.

The problem is your psyche just can't handle it when everybody doesn't agree with you. You always post and say "read and discuss" but then get all bent out of shape if the discussion doesn't align with your preconceived ideas.
 
Gato_Solo said:
What I said, in a nutshell, is that the symptoms for pneumonia and choking agent poisons are remarkably similar...almost exactly the same, and raised a possibility that your psyche didn't want to listen to. Since you cannot form an intelligent rebuttal, you tried to make a joke.
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What does my psyche care whether US soldiers are being poisoned? What my psyche didn't like is your incapacity to distinguish "theoretically conceivable" from "likely". If the symptoms are so remarkably similar, then who are you to say that it's NOT pneumonia - which is obviously much more likely - especially given the environment they're in.

Your own highly-intelligent rebuttal to the propostion was simply "well we're all fine". Which is obviously utter nonsense because this thread is talking PRECISELY ABOUT SOLDIERS WHO HAVE BECOME SICK.

And if we made a joke about WMDs, it's because your suggestions and the manner in which you try to support them are simply laughable. We just wanted to share the fun around.
 
a13antichrist said:
What does my psyche care whether US soldiers are being poisoned? What my psyche didn't like is your incapacity to distinguish "theoretically conceivable" from "likely". If the symptoms are so remarkably similar, then who are you to say that it's NOT pneumonia - which is obviously much more likely - especially given the environment they're in.

Your own highly-intelligent rebuttal to the propostion was simply "well we're all fine". Which is obviously utter nonsense because this thread is talking PRECISELY ABOUT SOLDIERS WHO HAVE BECOME SICK.

And if we made a joke about WMDs, it's because your suggestions and the manner in which you try to support them are simply laughable. We just wanted to share the fun around.
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Because the rticle all but ruled out a biological aspect of the illness.

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If it is a reaction to the environment (sand), as some say, then why aren't the UK soldiers experiencing this illness? Surely you don't think that they are more immune than we, in the US are. As for the "we're all fine" reference, we are. There were more than 100K soldiers, sailors, marines, and Air Force personnel in the theater, and only 15 got sick. You do the math, and, since you are obviously more informed than I am, you tell me what it means. Until then, your jokes come from ignorance and failure to reason, and you have no valid points to rebut what I've said. Don't quibble, which is what you do, debate, which is what I do.
 
I saw on the news the other day that the military has sent a team to investigate. Hope they track it down quickly.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Because the rticle all but ruled out a biological aspect of the illness.

One more thing...

If it is a reaction to the environment (sand), as some say, then why aren't the UK soldiers experiencing this illness? Surely you don't think that they are more immune than we, in the US are. As for the "we're all fine" reference, we are. There were more than 100K soldiers, sailors, marines, and Air Force personnel in the theater, and only 15 got sick. You do the math, and, since you are obviously more informed than I am, you tell me what it means. Until then, your jokes come from ignorance and failure to reason, and you have no valid points to rebut what I've said. Don't quibble, which is what you do, debate, which is what I do.
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so now we know the British soliders arent sick so that does leave my post null and void in the idea of our bodies being resilient. i will agree with your answer to my question namely the 3rd option you mentioned. but i do have to wonder if maybe some of the civilians are sick too? or just the us forces?
 
it may be that the percentage of 15k is so small as concerned with that of over 100k that no-one has thought it pressworthy until now.
 
How many British soldiers are there over there? And the soldiers that got sick - which States are they from? Are they from the same regiment? Same battalion? Same whatever? If it's completely random and dispersed that rules out any chance of a chemical "spill", and you have to look at individal physiological reactions.

Besides, if no British forces are sick does that mean that the Iraqis knew precisely where the British were going to be and deliberately avoided them? :retard: You think they hate the British soldiers any less than the Americans? Talk about naivety... :rolleyes:
 
Did no-one ever teach you simple math?

As for the "we're all fine" reference, we are. There were more than 100K soldiers, sailors, marines, and Air Force personnel in the theater, and only 15 got sick. You do the math, and
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Apparently, you're all fine. Of course you're all fine. Everyone excpet those 15 that are sick. It can't be individual reactions because most people are fine? How on earth is that supposed to rule out ANYTHING? You could just as easily claim it wasn't a bio spill because "everyone" is fine. Sorry, here you've really gone overboard in your stupidity. 15 people are sick, hence not EVERYONE is fine. So saying "oh it can't be because of X, we're all fine" is utter nonsense.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Because the rticle all but ruled out a biological aspect of the illness.
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You mean biological - physiological, or biological - weaponry? Because the weapons side of things is pretty much the only did they DID rule out...
 
a13antichrist said:
You mean biological - physiological, or biological - weaponry? Because the weapons side of things is pretty much the only did they DID rule out...
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I meantthe doctors found no biological cause. Meaning no bacteria, virus, etc. I suggest you read it again.
 
There is now a theory that it may have to do with the innoculations. When I care more, I'll find a link.
 
the innoculations is what was supposed to be the cause of the 'gulf war syndrome' that the veterans i refered to before were fighting in court for.
 
Gato_Solo said:
I meantthe doctors found no biological cause. Meaning no bacteria, virus, etc. I suggest you read it again.
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HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!!

YOU should try reading it again. Wishful interpretation is what you're suffering, methinks.... It's even in a big yellow box in the centre of the page so that you could only miss it if you were REALLY trying to.. ;)

Ms Kukral said no infectious agent such as a bacterium or virus has been discovered to be common to all the cases.

"We have no evidence to indicate that there are chemical or biological weapons or environmental toxins involved"

Lyn Kukral, army spokeswoman
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a13antichrist said:
HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!!

YOU should try reading it again. Wishful interpretation is what you're suffering, methinks.... It's even in a big yellow box in the centre of the page so that you could only miss it if you were REALLY trying to.. ;)
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Hee hee hee, yourself. I did read that. Pneumonia is caused by several known bacteria and virii. None of these were present. You, OTOH, probably didn't take that into account, like I did. An autopsy on the people who died would've shown that right off the bat, but it didn't. Feel free to search out more information on pneumonia on your own. I did. ;)
 
So what do you have to say about the part A13 was drawing attention to?

"We have no evidence to indicate that there are chemical or biological weapons or environmental toxins involved"
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I say this, flavio. I never said anything about chemical or biological weapons. You did. Think it over for a while, and then make some intelligent posts on the matter, instead of blathering on trying to put words in my mouth.

Here it goes...one more time.

Since no biological link has been found in the cases, the cause must be chemical in nature.
 
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