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U.S. first lady Laura Bush applauds while her guest Safia Taleb al-Souhail comforts Janet Norwood (C), whose son, Marine Corps Sergeant Byron Norwood of Pflugerville, Texas was killed during the assault on Fallujah, as the Marine was honored during U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s State of the Union address in the House Chamber in Washington February 2, 2005. REUTERS/Larry Downing
An Iraqi Shi'a, Ms. Al Souhail is the advocacy director at the International Alliance for Justice and the daughter of Sheik Taleb Al Souhail, the chief of the one million-strong Bani Tamim tribe from central Iraq, who was assassinated by Iraqi intelligence in 1994.
She freely voted on Sunday thanks to the efforts, toil & blood of those like Marine Sgt Norwood.
U.S. first lady Laura Bush applauds while her guest Safia Taleb al-Souhail comforts Janet Norwood (C), whose son, Marine Corps Sergeant Byron Norwood of Pflugerville, Texas was killed during the assault on Fallujah, as the Marine was honored during U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s State of the Union address in the House Chamber in Washington February 2, 2005. REUTERS/Larry Downing
An Iraqi Shi'a, Ms. Al Souhail is the advocacy director at the International Alliance for Justice and the daughter of Sheik Taleb Al Souhail, the chief of the one million-strong Bani Tamim tribe from central Iraq, who was assassinated by Iraqi intelligence in 1994.
She freely voted on Sunday thanks to the efforts, toil & blood of those like Marine Sgt Norwood.
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
abooja said:How can anyone possibly object to that woman's expression of gratitude?
It helps to be brainless, heartless, and clueless.
Bush does a decent job considering all the idiots on his back every second. Think about it...how well could you do your job if every moron with an agenda, an acronym, and a microphone was hellbent to show you up on any real or imagined shortcoming?
I don't agree with all his policies, but I do admire the man for the job he is doing in office. At least he isn't afraid to stand up for his moral convictions; more than I can say about 90% of the people alive today.
MrBishop
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Anyone else see the obvious error here?
What happens if a country happens to like a Theocracy, a Plutocracy or a Monarchy? Will he still support democratic movements (rebellions) ?
If you're supporting democracy (which is the US form of GVT), how can he say that he has no right to impose 'our form of GVT' on anyone else.dubya said:
What happens if a country happens to like a Theocracy, a Plutocracy or a Monarchy? Will he still support democratic movements (rebellions) ?
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Supporting and imposing are two very different verbs. That much should be obvious.
Winky
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One thing I am certain of...
If the human race is ever to truly progress
forms of government that enslave their people
must be expunged from the face of the planet.
Of course it would be nutso to think Bushy-boy
will git-er-done by the end of his term but hey it's a start lol
If the human race is ever to truly progress
forms of government that enslave their people
must be expunged from the face of the planet.
Of course it would be nutso to think Bushy-boy
will git-er-done by the end of his term but hey it's a start lol
catocom
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MrBishop said:
I did kinda wonder about that.
I think he'd have been better to leave that alone.
We definitely "are" imposing democracy on them.
and IMO, eventually it could go back.
Unless we step in every-time the locals can't handle a group or radicals.
At least for several years to come.
To end tyranny it has to be imposed.
I still think it was the right thing in this circumstance.
I still believe it had/has an important part in getting rid of many terrorists.
MrBishop
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Would you say that troops in Iraq are imposing democracy through invasion or supporting it? If there was no movement towards democracy prior to the intervention...there's nothing being supported. It's being created THEN supported. That's imposing.SouthernN'Proud said:
Winky
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And perhaps you'd rather instead of imposing freedom
(could that be reversed to read liberation?)
we were imposing a tyrannical dictatorship similar to Saddam's regime????
The Sad sad sad fact is the outcome of this grand experiment is solely in the hands of the Iraq's.
Who here thinks the three factions will get together and act in a civilized way?
(could that be reversed to read liberation?)
we were imposing a tyrannical dictatorship similar to Saddam's regime????
The Sad sad sad fact is the outcome of this grand experiment is solely in the hands of the Iraq's.
Who here thinks the three factions will get together and act in a civilized way?
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Supporting. They are allowing the Iraqis to create their own democracy, to allow hundreds of candidates, to run the election as they wish, to write their own constitution, etc etc. In no way did one US troop attempt to influence the outcome of the election. If that is an imposition, then somebody is taking the dictionary way too literally.
Winky
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"somebody is taking the dictionary way too literally"
I'd go a step further
and say they are twisting the meaning of the whole event to serve their Liberal cause.
Why is it that what we did in Bosnia was a good thing and Iraq bad?
Is it merely because of who was in the Whitehouse at the time?
I'd go a step further
and say they are twisting the meaning of the whole event to serve their Liberal cause.
Why is it that what we did in Bosnia was a good thing and Iraq bad?
Is it merely because of who was in the Whitehouse at the time?
MrBishop
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Influence the outcome -no, of course not...nor is that what I'm saying.
You go in and overtrow an existing GVT, leaving a power void. Then you begin procedures to create a new democratic GVT using the same methods that you use in your own country...and a new GVT structure which closely resembles your own GVT...
you dont see that as imposing your own ideals of what is a perfect GVT?
What if the Iraqui people had said..."well, thanks for getting rid of Saddam for us.. what a pain he was. Now... we'd like to try our hand at communism. You can leave now"
Did anyone actually ask the people what kind of GVT they'd like? I somehow don't think so.
You go in and overtrow an existing GVT, leaving a power void. Then you begin procedures to create a new democratic GVT using the same methods that you use in your own country...and a new GVT structure which closely resembles your own GVT...
you dont see that as imposing your own ideals of what is a perfect GVT?
What if the Iraqui people had said..."well, thanks for getting rid of Saddam for us.. what a pain he was. Now... we'd like to try our hand at communism. You can leave now"
Did anyone actually ask the people what kind of GVT they'd like? I somehow don't think so.
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
MrBishop said:
So far as I am aware, or as you are aware, the Iraqi people have instituted the form of government of their choosing. We can play what if all day long, it accomplishes nothing.