Why Americans and Brits will always remain worlds apart

Aunty Em

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With a new scanner comes new OCR software.... An interesting article I read in todays newspaper. How true do you think this opinion is?

Why Americans and Brits will always remain worlds apart.
Mark Palmer
Daily Express
18/4/03

These days the United States and Britain are standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Our shoulders have been glued together ever since the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers 18 months ago, with the Prime Minister desperate to show that Britain is America’s closest ally and with the US president responding in kind - despite an obvious reluctance on his part to spend much time on this side of the Atlantic.

We stood shoulder-to-shoulder during the routing of the Taliban in Afghanistan and during the battle to topple Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Before that, Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were joined at the hip in their efforts to establish a peace in Northern Ireland and during the Eighties Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher enjoyed a “special relationship” that was regarded as crucial to the eventual dismantling of the Iron Curtain and demise of communism.

Despite all this cosiness and efforts of our politicians to bring us closer together, when it comes to what really matters Britain and America remain as distant from each other as we ever have been. And, most Brits and Yanks would add, long may it remain so.

Our political masters may be great buddies, we may speak the same language - albeit with a radically altered vocabulary - and we may share many of the same TV programmes but we are races apart. They come here and feel lost. We go there and shake our heads in disbelief at how such a big country can be so small-minded. The cultural and social differences between us are massive and getting bigger as Americans increasingly refuse to travel, increasingly refuse to learn about other nations and increasingly prefer to assume that, simply - America equals the world.

So, it was no great surprise that The Economist this week found it necessary to publish a guide to Britain, to be distributed to 75,000 high-profile world travellers. “The British are less politically correct than American counterparts,” says the guide. “Wittiness often means an agility with sexual innuendo, with a pint in one hand and a cigarette in the other. The line between work and private life is not as clearly delineated as in America and the British tend to socialise with colleagues regularly. Drunken behaviour will be laughed off next morning and, in some cases, is the norm.”

The guide warns that American businessmen should not expect their British equivalents to be greatly excited by practices such as the working breakfast, reminding readers of Oscar Wilde’s assertion: “Only dull people are interesting at breakfast.” It also points out that smoking has not yet been banned in bars and restaurants (as it has been in many places in America) and that visitors should expect to be greeted by “a haze of smoke that can be blinding” when entering a British pub.

This is precisely the sort of thing that in America would end up with a series of lawsuits. What we Brits regard as flirtatious sexual banter is in New York or San Francisco likely to be seen as an example of the most primitive kind of sexual harassment. The US barman who sells you one drink too many might end up in court if you try to drive home or break a leg in a drunken tumble.

As for smoking, in a sombre reminder of the dangers of po-faced political correctness, a bouncer was this week killed in an argument that erupted when be tried to enforce the no-tobacco rule in a NewYork bar.

Please don’t call me anti-American. There is much about the US that I admire. I lived in New York for three years and loved the place; my grandmother was from Boston, I married an American and my two children have US as well as British passports. It’s just that we need to remind ourselves every now and then that we are an entirely different species to our American cousins.

We can never be like them and they can never be like us. Nothing wrong with that; it’s just the way it is. Even Madonna, who settled here four years ago, has tried to understand us and failed, even though she married a Brit. Who can forget her desperate attempts to fit in - the insistence that she found Bernard Manning really, really funny, the times she dressed up in full country fig to go shooting in the country?

There are, however, signs that she has given up all the efforts at cultural assimilation in favour of an unsparing critique of the British way of life. In an interview to be broadcast this evening on the satellite music channel VH1, she takes a pop at our attitude to work.

“They aren’t willing to work - you know, stay in the office for 12 hours a day. The working week starts at noon on Monday and ends at noon on Friday,” she says. “It’s highly irritating. They leave work at five and there are bank holidays every minute.” Silly girl. In America, part of the problem is that there aren’t enough bank holidays -or, indeed, holidays of any kind. If you’re in your 20s you’re lucky if you get two weeks paid leave a year. A friend of mine who is in his 40s and has been with the same insurance company for almost two decades gets three weeks holiday per annum but feels it might count against him if he takes his full quota. The danger of holidays is that you may start thinking for yourself - and Americans aren’t great at that. They like to be programmed.

YOU don’t just go to the gym; you go to the gym and work your way through a programme that has been devised for you by someone whose own programme has been set for him. Dating is programmed, right down to how, when and where you should ask someone out for dinner and working practices are so programmed that it is often impossible to establish whether you are talking to a human being or a taped message. In fact, what it really comes down to is that Americans would prefer us to “get with the programme”.
 
It seems to over generalize to me. Contrary to popular belief, bartenders aren't spending all their time in courtrooms defending whether they sold someone one too many drinks, There are bars full of co-workers that get shitfaced and go to work the next day, and they get shitfaced in a bar that you can't see the ceiling in for all the smoke.
 
Personally I think it supports stereotyping and promotes a xenophobic view. I'm sure there are a lot of Americans who couldn't give a damn about what's happening in the world at large, but you could say that equally well of people in other countries including Britain.

I'm often astonished at how ignorant some people seem to be and in my experience it's usually the ones who've never set foot outside their own hometowns who seem to be so insular. Maybe it's because I've lived in so many different places as a child and had such a cosmopolitan upbringing that I tend to be more outward looking, but I find such a blinkered attitude hard to understand.

Obviously there are culteral diferences but this article makes it seem that the gap can't be bridged, which I think is nonsense but that I know a lot of Brits would agree with.
 
Oversimplification at best. Stereotypes are truthful genaralizations...they fit a group rather nicely but undividuals can & do blow them apart. Americans, Canadians & Brits are quite closely related, with disparate differences. That's why we're friends instead of married.
 
First thing we have to tackle is spelling. There is no letter u in the words honor or color...:D
 
?Wittiness often means an agility with sexual innuendo, with a pint in one hand and a cigarette in the other. The line between work and private life is not as clearly delineated as in America and the British tend to socialise with colleagues regularly. Drunken behaviour will be laughed off next morning and, in some cases, is the norm.?

:headbang:

Anyway, yanks and brits will never be "the same" for the very same reason that mexicans and spaniards will never be "the same". So to a certain extent, i understand perfectlyt the situation.
 
Gato_Solo said:
First thing we have to tackle is spelling. There is no letter u in the words honor or color...
Don't forget that darned extra i in aluminum. :D

While I agree that there is entirely too much PC in America, I think that this article rather overstates the case. I once heard an expression that went something like "only a moron could go through life without offending anybody." Other than that, I don't see all the bars and nightclubs closing down, or the tobacco companies going out of business. I do agree that we will never be the same, why should we?
 
Gato_Solo said:
First thing we have to tackle is spelling. There is no letter u in the words honor or color...:D

Well it's not our fault if Americans can't spell properly, after all it was OUR language first before you corrupted it!... It's my theory that whoever wrote your first lexicon was dyslexic... :p :lol:
 
Aunty Em said:
It's my theory that whoever wrote your first lexicon was dyslexic...
If you were dyslexic would you think you were lysdexic?
Oh hell, whatever Inkara has is contagious......
 
The title of this topic is "Why Americans and Brits will always remain worlds apart", the discussion does not appear to be on that topic, mind I had noticed this was an off topic forum ;)

Does anyone want to suggest any reasons why Americans and Brits are so different.
 
Mulletron said:
Does anyone want to suggest any reasons why Americans and Brits are so different.
Primarily because americans want to keep on topic? :lol:

flurffmeister said:
For one thing, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road. :lol:
No... you lot just did that to be contrary! :p ;)
 
OK then, heres a crazy suggestion since I am getting is sarcasm, America is jealous of Britain's better Allocation of road side for driving, and thus develops other Cultural and Social differences in an attempt to find something they are better at.

Potentially the worst argument ever, but at least people don't have to die over it :(
 
Actually, I think the language thing was a deliberate attempt to shake off some of the shackles of the "Old World" - the greek and latin roots of the words - and simplify spelling.

The right hand side of the road thingy is probably 'cos most of the rest of the world use it, which means you don't have to adapt in other countries... just my theory anyway...
 
Mulletron said:
The title of this topic is "Why Americans and Brits will always remain worlds apart", the discussion does not appear to be on that topic, mind I had noticed this was an off topic forum
You get used to the zooming off on tangents (and sometimes not even a tangent, but something totally unrelated) after a while. :D
 
I'm also curious about the language, spaniards and us speak spanish differently, but the orthography is the same.
 
Luis G said:
I'm also curious about the language, spaniards and us speak spanish differently, but the orthography is the same.

Maybe that was also an attempt to simplify the language? If you don't have the second person singular and plural, and only use the first and third persons it does make it much easier to learn. Plus you can't insult someone unintentionally by either being too familiar or not familiar enough. That's a real big problem in japanese! :shrug:
 
Aunty Em said:
Luis G said:
I'm also curious about the language, spaniards and us speak spanish differently, but the orthography is the same.

Maybe that was also an attempt to simplify the language? If you don't have the second person singular and plural, and only use the first and third persons it does make it much easier to learn. Plus you can't insult someone unintentionally by either being too familiar or not familiar enough. That's a real big problem in japanese! :shrug:

:eek6: I meant speaking as in pronunciation (??), for example they pronounce "s" as "sh" and "z" as "sd" (or at least that's the way i hear them). btw, we have the 3 singular and plural persons and a different conjugation for each one.
 
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