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A BRITISH captive freed from Guantanamo Bay today tells the world of its full horror - and reveals how prostitutes were taken into the camp to degrade Muslim inmates.

Jamal al-Harith, 37, who arrived home three days ago after two years of confinement, is the first detainee to lift the lid on the US regime in Cuba's Camp X-Ray and Camp Delta.

The father-of-three, from Manchester, told how he was assaulted with fists, feet and batons after refusing a mystery injection.

But Jamal's most shocking disclosure centred on the use of vice girls to torment the most religiously devout detainees.

Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.
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Read the horrors from the Mirror
 
Gotnolegs said:
Yeah it can't possibly be true if it's in the mirror. Get real.

It make me sick that you continue to try and justify this abuse.
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No, no, no. It can't possibly be true if you believe it to be false.
 
Lets face it, the guy was released because it was eventually decided he wasn't a threat asnd he hasn't been charged with anything related to terrorism on his return, but if he didn't have a reason to hate the US before he certainly does now.

I think that he deserves every penny he can get from selling his story, he has been subjected to physical, mental and emotional abuse for over two years and then on his return he was pressurised not to tell anyone because it might damage relationships between the UK and the US. Well guess what, if you don't torture our citizens we won't tell people you do.
 
the problem GNL is for the story and such they wont give him a damn dime. you are right tho he now has a reason to hate us. I still stand by what I said in the other thread but again there was always pontential for abuse
 
He said detainees were shackled for up to 15 hours at a time in hand and leg cuffs with metal links which cut into the skin.
Their "cells" were wire cages with concrete floors and open to the elements - giving no privacy or protection from the rats, snakes and scorpions loose around the American base.
He claims punishment beatings were handed out by guards known as the Extreme Reaction Force. They waded into inmates in full riot-gear, raining blows on them.
Prisoners faced psychological torture and mind-games in attempts to make them confess to acts they had never committed. Even petty breaches of rules brought severe punishment.
Medical treatment was sparse and brutal and amputations of limbs were more drastic than required, claimed Jamal.
A diet of foul water and food up to 10 years out-of-date left inmates malnourished.
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I wonder how accurate this depiction is, and if it is accurate, how many spin-doctors it'll take to wriggle out of what is effectivly an inhumane treatment of prisoners by the USA.
 
MrBishop said:
I wonder how accurate this depiction is, and if it is accurate, how many spin-doctors it'll take to wriggle out of what is effectivly an inhumane treatment of prisoners by the USA.
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Sounds like hooey to me. The Red Cross and their Islamic counterpart, the Red Crescent, have both pulled surprise visits to Gitmo, and found nothing amiss. Food and water are from the same place that the rest of the base gets food and water. The prisoners are even fed according to their religious beliefs.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Sounds like hooey to me. The Red Cross and their Islamic counterpart, the Red Crescent, have both pulled surprise visits to Gitmo, and found nothing amiss. Food and water are from the same place that the rest of the base gets food and water. The prisoners are even fed according to their religious beliefs.
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It's still an awful lot of mud being flung by this guy and others like him. Someone's gonna get splattered.

PS. How surprise-like could they possibly be? You need written authorisation to approach Gitmo and written auth means a heaads-up to those running the place, non? A few days is enough to clean up a bit, and acccess to prisoners who'll tell 'the truth' to the Red Crescent/Cross only. :/
 
MrBishop said:
It's still an awful lot of mud being flung by this guy and others like him. Someone's gonna get splattered.

PS. How surprise-like could they possibly be? You need written authorisation to approach Gitmo and written auth means a heaads-up to those running the place, non? A few days is enough to clean up a bit, and acccess to prisoners who'll tell 'the truth' to the Red Crescent/Cross only. :/
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Actually, you need only one day. Unless they come in on one of the scheduled flights unannounced...which is possible. Second...they pick who they want to see once they get there, not the guards or the warden.
 
freako104 said:
the problem GNL is for the story and such they wont give him a damn dime. you are right tho he now has a reason to hate us. I still stand by what I said in the other thread but again there was always pontential for abuse
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He received the equivalent of $90,000 for letting the Mirror have an exclusive. The problem is that the tabloid press have the money and the more respectable press won't pay for exclusives as their readership buys them regardless.

So, assuming you have read his account how do you justify his treatment?
 
Gato_Solo said:
Sounds like hooey to me. The Red Cross and their Islamic counterpart, the Red Crescent, have both pulled surprise visits to Gitmo, and found nothing amiss. Food and water are from the same place that the rest of the base gets food and water. The prisoners are even fed according to their religious beliefs.
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Unlike you he was there the entire time, I'm more inclined to believe him than someone who admits he didn't see him captured but quite vociferously claims he was an enemy combatant.

Lets see what the other prisoners say eh?
 
Gotnolegs said:
Unlike you he was there the entire time, I'm more inclined to believe him than someone who admits he didn't see him captured but quite vociferously claims he was an enemy combatant.

Lets see what the other prisoners say eh?
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Never said I was there, mate. Just that it sounded like hooey. ;)

Now a couple quick questions...

1. Where was he captured?
2. What was he doing there?

;)
 
Gato_Solo said:
Never said I was there, mate. Just that it sounded like hooey. ;)

Now a couple quick questions...

1. Where was he captured?
2. What was he doing there?

;)
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Read the articles, it's quite clear.
 
Gotnolegs said:
Read the articles, it's quite clear.
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The mirror wasn't coming up. I'm reading the times article now.

BTW...Isn't MI5 a British organization like our FBI?
 
Gotnolegs said:
He received the equivalent of $90,000 for letting the Mirror have an exclusive. The problem is that the tabloid press have the money and the more respectable press won't pay for exclusives as their readership buys them regardless.

So, assuming you have read his account how do you justify his treatment?
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I already said NO
 
freako104 said:
I already said NO
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No what? In the other thread you said that you thought the imprisonment of these people was ok, I was wondering how you felt now you have read the account of one of them.
 
Gato_Solo said:
The mirror wasn't coming up. I'm reading the times article now.

BTW...Isn't MI5 a British organization like our FBI?
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MI5 has powers related to intelligence gathering regarding security within the UK, as far as I am aware they have no powers of arrest or detention, though I could be worng on this.
 
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