Why we have

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
BET, and why it's most definitely not racist.

1. During the 1940's, 50's, 60's, and early 1970's, black people who wanted to be on television were placed into the role of servant, criminal, or common street-person, or pimp if they were cast at all.

2. The three big networks had no shows vis-a-vis black, middle-class families, and shows like Good Times were held up as the way black people lived in the US...even though most black people don't live in tenements.

3. During the late 1970's, the 1980's, and the 1990's, shows about black families were few and far between, and lasted only until the ratings for the network rose, then were cancelled. The only show which actually broke this tradition was The Cosby Show.

4. Also during the 1980's, a black-owned network was started called BET. The history of BET is rather short, but it goes something like this...Why aren't there any good, positive shows about black people in America? Why are the big networks casting black people in a negative light in most dramas? So they went out, found positive shows that were summarily cancelled, and placed them back on the air.

How come, now, this one, small network is being lambasted by some white Americans as racist? Most that complain probably haven't even watched it. You don't hear them complain about Univision, the Spanish-language network, nor do you hear them complain about the total lack of shows surrounding non-whites on every other network. How long was Friends on the air? How many people of color were on that show (I think it was 4)? How long was Sex in the City on the air? Only one black was aired, and he only lasted 3 episodes.
 
It's being lambasted as racist because, like the NAACP & the Negro College Fund, it flies in the face of white America. We're told not to say certain things, they're racist. We're told that we can't show preference, that's racist. In short, everything we've been told that's wrong about America since & previous to Dr ML King Jr, was bad yet black America can do those things without being racist.

Double standard, in other words.

Oh, you forgot The Jeffersons. And the WB network, where blacks are king & caucasians are morons.

I've yet to see a BET show that portrays blacks in any better light than any other network. They use stereotypical black men & women as often as Ted Turner. That doesn't say there aren't shows I haven't seen but almost every time I slide by that channel it's either comedy specials or we're being kept down by the man lectures.
 
I remember a couple years ago one of my co-workers was going to the Black Caucus. I was curious, so I asked him, don't you feel it's wrong for them to have a "Black" caucus? Isn't that just a reverse racism?

His reply was simple yet did make me think. "You do have a White Caucus, they hold it every day right up there at the capitol."
 
PuterTutor said:
"You do have a White Caucus, they hold it every day right up there at the capitol."
You know, intellectually I fully understand that. Emotionally, however, that understanding doesn't make me like things like "Miss Black America." Black women are not excluded from entering the other Miss America contest after all. BET on the other hand, shows white artists from time to time. Probably as much if not more than the WB. I understand why blacks feel some of this stuff needs "balancing." I do not, however, think it a particularly wise course given the inevitable backlash. Granted, some whites are simply looking for an excuse, however some (that might otherwise be allies) are genuinely offended, and not without reason. It's certainly a complicated issue.
 
So, big Mo is about 5 black members short to follow the US average 12% of the population. 9% is hardly a whites only club.

chcr said:
It's certainly a complicated issue.

:grinyes:
 
Now that the pot is stirred...

When the FCC granted licenses to the early networks (free, BTW), minorities were excluded from the process out-of-hand. Money was not the issue. The 'big three', as they used to be called, benefitted enormously from that, as we can all see today. If blacks, and other minorities, had been allowed to start networks, and television stations, from the late 1940's until licensing was 'pay as you go', would BET be lambasted today?

As for WB, Fox, and UPN, they all started out with tons of black comedies. As soon as their ratings started to increase, those black comedies got cancelled. Don't believe me? Check it out yourself. You have the internet. ;)
 
Yup today in America
blacks are THE most racist folks you'd ever hope to not have to deal with.

I second Gonzy's comment.

I am sick and tired of being called names because of "MY" skin color.
(whites are always the one's accused of being racist)

Certain factions will tell you that Blacks are no different than whites.

I know this to be true. We are all humans. Race doesn't mean you are of another species.

doh, no wait that opens the door to another line of debate!

Be then these same factions will immediately set about trying to get blacks to set themselves apart.

Blacks are fine as long as they are
Oreos lol

Oh yeah and in connection with the Bish query. Yeah I is 45.
I intentionally write in the 15 year old net-monkey style to illuminate the idiocy
of certain issues taken. When arguing with retards on the internet, it is always best
be a retard. Oh no wait, that wouldn’t be a politically correct comment at this juncture in time.

Oh fine, I will adhere to a more illustrative writing style in the future.

My deepest apologetic connotation is extended to all who were injured in the making of my points in this post, past present and future?

Wow ya find funneh stuffs on the net huh dood? ( Oops reversion to 15 year-old mindset)

Linkage


“What percentage of the black community is represented by "homies?" That's a tough one. It's very difficult to come up with a figure. Major universities and think tanks aren't concerned with studying behavior, they are only interested in braying about the results of such behaviors (results which they label "inequalities"). So based on personal observation, I would have to put the figure at around 30%. I've made it simple for you. Here are the Top 10 most common traits of a typical homey, so you'll be sure to spot 'em next time you're the victim of a carjacking. Be sure to print it out and carry it with you next time you're at the mall.
1) Poor Impulse Control
2) Bad parenting skills
3) Inflated Ego
4) Hyper-sensitivity
5) Poor communication skills
6) Bad work ethic (if any)
7) A penchant for believing Urban Legends rather than a newspaper
8) The desire for a quick buck
9) A "me-first" attitude
10) A tendency to see women as "property."
 
Winky said:
Yup today in America
blacks are THE most racist folks you'd ever hope to not have to deal with.

Not in my nape of the woods.

Winky said:
I second Gonzy's comment.

I am sick and tired of being called names because of "MY" skin color.
(whites are always the one's accused of being racist)

:lol4: I don't judge by color, but by actions. If it walks like a duck...

Winky said:
Certain factions will tell you that Blacks are no different than whites.

Then why are there so many out there that claim blacks are inferior?

Winky said:
Be then these same factions will immediately set about trying to get blacks to set themselves apart.

Blacks are fine as long as they are
Oreos lol

I've seen, and heard, that term, and, although I find it 'difficult', I know this...There is a big difference between 'street' and 'home'

Winky said:
Oh yeah and in connection with the Bish query. Yeah I is 45.
I intentionally write in the 15 year old net-monkey style to illuminate the idiocy
of certain issues taken. When arguing with retards on the internet, it is always best
be a retard. Oh no wait, that wouldn’t be a politically correct comment at this juncture in time.

Oh fine, I will adhere to a more illustrative writing style in the future.

My deepest apologetic connotation is extended to all who were injured in the making of my points in this post, past present and future?

Wow ya find funneh stuffs on the net huh dood? ( Oops reversion to 15 year-old mindset)

Linkage

Sounds like this guy has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. He needs some help with his issues. There are Jews who feel the same way about their history as well...

Winky said:
“What percentage of the black community is represented by "homies?" That's a tough one. It's very difficult to come up with a figure. Major universities and think tanks aren't concerned with studying behavior, they are only interested in braying about the results of such behaviors (results which they label "inequalities"). So based on personal observation, I would have to put the figure at around 30%. I've made it simple for you. Here are the Top 10 most common traits of a typical homey, so you'll be sure to spot 'em next time you're the victim of a carjacking. Be sure to print it out and carry it with you next time you're at the mall.
1) Poor Impulse Control
2) Bad parenting skills
3) Inflated Ego
4) Hyper-sensitivity
5) Poor communication skills
6) Bad work ethic (if any)
7) A penchant for believing Urban Legends rather than a newspaper
8) The desire for a quick buck
9) A "me-first" attitude
10) A tendency to see women as "property."

Sounds like quite a few white people I know...
 
Gato_Solo said:
Sounds like this guy has a bit of a chip on his shoulder. He needs some help with his issues. There are Jews who feel the same way about their history as well...

Two things... if you talk as if you're an idiot, be prepared to be treated like one. If Winky feels that he has to hack away at half of his intellect in order to comment on this forum...then who am I to NOT treat him as if he's a child with a mild mental-impairment?

My example as to how histories get changed and rewritten was better than the Holocaust example. The holocaust has not been rewritten or spin-doctored by the German invaders because they lost. If the Nazis has won that war...it might be a different story entirely... if you insist on using that time-frame for an example...how about trying to find any reference to the good research of Nazi scientists re: cancer . Other than the holocaust...the Nazi leadership and the advances in the sciences that grew from it are not to be found...can't have anyone casting any good light on the actions of Nazis. Their history has been rewritten, eh
******

Onto the topic at hand. There are many that feel like for an injustice to be repaired, that the pendulum MUST swing in the other direction as wide as possible first. If there used to be white-only clubs, there must now be black-only clubs. If certain competitions were closed to blacks, they must now be closed to non-blacks, if TV channels were non-existant to black actors, now they must be ONLY for black actors.

I'm not sure who's to guage how far or for how long the pendulum must swing before it can regain its equality though.... :shrug:
 
This is one where the market will decide. If BET has a big enough audience to attract advertisers, it will flourish, no matter who feels what about its existence. If it doesn't, it won't. :shrug:
 
HomeLAN said:
This is one where the market will decide. If BET has a big enough audience to attract advertisers, it will flourish, no matter who feels what about its existence. If it doesn't, it won't. :shrug:

At last, a good, and intelligent, point. I agree wholeheartedly that the market should decide, but my defense was based upon 2 things...

1. The treatment of blacks, and other minorities, in early television.
2. The treatment of anything that even remotely caters to minorities being seen as 'reverse racism' in general, and definitely 'reverse-racism' when it comes to the black community. I still see no large outward protests of 'Univision', except when it comes to language. Hell...I watched 'Univision' before I could speak Spanish, and I still do on occasion.
 
1) That bears a strong resemblance to affirmative action in other areas, and that's a discussion I will not have with you.

2) See #1.
 
Onto the topic at hand. There are many that feel like for an injustice to be repaired, that the pendulum MUST swing in the other direction as wide as possible first. If there used to be white-only clubs, there must now be black-only clubs. If certain competitions were closed to blacks, they must now be closed to non-blacks, if TV channels were non-existant to black actors, now they must be ONLY for black actors.

I'm not sure who's to guage how far or for how long the pendulum must swing before it can regain its equality though.... :shrug:
One of the best thoughts in this thread. So, when does the pendulum go back to straight down?
 
HomeLAN said:
That bears a strong resemblance to affirmative action in other areas, and that's a discussion I will not have with you.

I'll respect that...just because we both know where that will go. ;)

HomeLAN said:
2) See #1.

This one, however, seems a bit, well, out there? BET paid for it's license just like Fox, UPN, WB, etc...
 
Every time I turn the channel to BET, I see rap videos where the black girls make themselves look like a pack of fake Gucci, stank coochie hoochies. I don't see how that portrays blacks in a positive light.
 
The treatment of anything that even remotely caters to minorities being seen as 'reverse racism' in general, and definitely 'reverse-racism' when it comes to the black community.

That's your real issue, yes? As with #1, you seem to be using BET as a stand-in for black race realtions in general. You're right, we both know where that discussion will go.

The true situation is that BET is a business. I expect it'll get run like one.
 
HomeLAN said:
That's your real issue, yes? As with #1, you seem to be using BET as a stand-in for black race realtions in general. You're right, we both know where that discussion will go.

True, true. My usually thick skin goes rather thin whenever the words 'reverse-racism' are thrown about casually.

HomeLAN said:
The true situation is that BET is a business. I expect it'll get run like one.

The only show I watch on BET now is Comic View. The only program they had of any substance at all was the talk show with Tavis Smiley, and that show got cancelled as soon as Viacom bought out the original owners...
 
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